Conference Expansion Report: Pac-12 Close To Expanding To 16
by Jon Woods on Sep 18, 2011 2:02 PM MDT
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The Austin-American Statesman is now reporting that the Pac-12 conference is moving closer to making a move to add Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and Texas to expand to 16 teams. This morning the ACC announced that they had extended an invitation to Syracuse and Pittsburgh to take their conference to 14 teams, now it looks like that could be the first in a huge shake-up in the college football landscape that could occur as soon as this coming week.
Statesman.com reports that sources have told them that the Pac-12 is working out semantics on inviting the four current members of the Big 12 and that conference officials may have worked out a way for Texas to maintain the Longhorn network.
The Longhorns would be able to keep all of their revenue from the network if that amount is greater than one-sixteenth of what the entire Pac-12 receives for its third-tier rights. However, if one-sixteenth of the money the Pac-12 receives from third-tier rights ends up being a larger amount, the schools would divide the revenue evenly and everybody would receive the same amount, the source said.
"Nothing has been definitively confirmed. But that's in the zip code," a source very familiar with the realignment discussions said Sunday. "This is not yet a done deal. It appears that (Pac-12 commissioner) Larry Scott is going to be able to work some magic and help Texas keep the Longhorn Network and their revenue stream."
The sources also reported that if the conference expands it is leaning towards the "pod" system which would create 4, 4-team regional pods. They would most likely be Washington, Washington St., Oregon, and Oregon St. in one. Stanford, California, UCLA, and UCLA in another. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona St. in the third. Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. in the final. Each season a team would play the three in their pod as well as two each from the other three pods.
It's going to be an interesting week...
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"It's going to be an interesting week..."
in the same way that cancer is an interesting weight loss method
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
Well, My gut tells me
that the PAC now feels it is essential to have Texas and not just OU/OSU. I think when you look at what the ACC is doing, the PAC must feel the only option to compete as one of the top conferences is to get OU and Texas rather than let Texas go to a competitor such as the ACC or B1G. I would not be unhappy with the pod system as opposed to a straight east/west. I would not mind a north/south with us in the north. If both sides are willing to compromise it would be a good sign, so that maybe we can have a conference where we all work together for a common goal while still keeping our individual best interests in mind without sacrificing them for the common good of the conferences.
However, want has nothing to do with it. Realignment is already underway. The better the conference we are in, the better for us financially.
I wonder is the Big east takes KU/KSU/Baylor/ISU, because they may lose two more teams after SU and Pitt.
On a side note, it bums me out to see schools with alot of history with one another going their separate ways.
It took all of us working together to fail
Wouldn't be that bad
We’d only have to travel to one of those 4 places a year…
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true
Especially with pod setup it would not be that often.
by Jeremy Mauss on Sep 18, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Pod system would mean
1 trip to Bay Area or Southern California
1 trip to Oregon or Washington
1 trip to Texas or Oklahoma
1.5 trips to Utah/Arizona
That looks a hell of lot better than a Big XII road slate.
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This can't be true because I swear I read this somewhere yesterday:
“The LHN WILL NOT come to the Pac-12
Promise you that."
It's probably all semantics.
That quote meant in it’s current form. Saw it too.
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Anyone know why T-ech is linked here?
Why not swap in Kansas? Lawrence is a hell of a lot better than Lubbock and hell is what 45 minutes from Kansas City? Also a better school
Traveling partners.
The conference wants to keep the natural traveling partner set-up
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politics as well
Kansas and K-State are being encouraged to stay together, and Tech has the legislative pull to tether themselves to Texas
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
some on Burnt orange nation said the B1G is having a conference call today
Have not found a link yet
It took all of us working together to fail
Anyone seen anything about West Virginia being the 14th SEC team?
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there was a tweet by Colin Dunlap that WVU sent in an application to the SEC
It took all of us working together to fail
seen chatter. Is that a done deal?
I guess its better than being left without a chair when the music stops but I hope the students and alum haven’t gotten too attached to winning football games over the fast few years because the road ahead is going to be rough.
I thought the same thing about Missouri
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
So is Mizzou now relegated to this Big 12/Big East frankenstein that's going to suck?
Or does the B1G add ND and Mizzou?
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obviously the latter would be ideal for all involved
But Notre Dame rarely does what’s ideal for all involved.
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
They have to put their other sports somewhere
I really hope this new BE/B12 conference is called “The Mutant”
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Frankenconference fever- catch it!
the question becomes though, what incentive does any conference have to do Notre Dame the favor of adding their sports. Since obviously football’s driving all of this, does Notre Dame without football have any value to anyone? Maybe the Big Ten Network, but even that seems slightly dubious. So they may come to the same conclusion that Texas apparently has and feel forced to join a conference in football.
and then I could see the service academies joining Frankenconference.
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
That's what Im saying.
Whoever takes the other sports will want all or nothing. Their independence days are coming to an end.
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yeah
At that point, I wonder if BYU comes back into play if they get skittish about football independence.
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
that would probably be the death blow to the Big East
Louisville (or Rutgers) and UConn could go to the ACC.
USF, Cincinnati, and Rutgers (or Louisville) join a mutant Big 12, maybe adding TCU and UCF. Unless the B1G gets involved… sigh
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
which creates an even more interesting question- what does Notre Dame do if that happens?
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
I don't think Rutgers is going to have the option to go anywhere
Big East will lose their AQ status but would likely add UMass and look to add Villanova when they make the jump to FBS. They could also take Temple from the MAC.
there's probably some value in adding the NY/NJ TV market
although I’ve heard that there’s precious little interest in Rutgers athletics in the area. And without Texas, a Frankenconference Network becomes viable. Not only viable, but without a defined geographic footprint, virtually nationally viable. Add in the service academies, and suddenly the Armed Forces Network becomes interested in worldwide distribution.
Obviously I’m just talking out of my ass, but this is so fluid and frustrating, it’s mildly fun to speculate.
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
"precious little"
you’re being generous. Most people couldn’t tell you where Rutgers is located and its only 45 minutes down the turnpike from Midtown Manhattan. To the extent that there is an interest for college sports (and there isn’t much) its Syracuse, UConn and Penn State.
Where is Baylor?
Will the “almighty” Bear faithful try to pursue legal action? Or will they end up where they belong? In a second tier conference?
actually, I'd guess in whatever the Big 12 becomes.
As long as they maintain numbers, the TV deal remains in place. Baylor and Iowa State will fight tooth and nail to keep those dollars.
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
that's also why I'd guess that the Big 12 absorbs the remaining Big East football schools
whatever the Big East could cobble together wouldn’t be nearly as lucrative as the Big 12 contract already in place
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
My lord...
TCU gets SCREWED in this whole process, all by being proactive. Yuck.
maybe not
If they were to get absorbed by the Big 12 remnants, they’d likely end up in a better position than in the Big East. A LOT lower travel expenses than having to go to the east coast for every single road trip (especially considering non revenue sports), a natural rival in Baylor, and likely a better TV contract.
Now, if that doesn’t happen and TCU has to look at Conference USA or go back hat in hand to the MWC, yes- screwed.
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
Can we charge UT $6million to join the PAC-16?
Recover the money we paid to leave a dying conference?
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if it was anyone but Texas, it might be possible
But for as much as Texas will have to compromise, I doubt CU really has the juice to force the issue.
Look, I've already told Utah to suck it. There's no going back now.
someone brought up this little nugget over on Pacific Takes:
The Longhorns would be able to keep all of their revenue from the network if that amount is greater than one-sixteenth of what the entire Pac-12 receives for its third-tier rights. However, if one-sixteenth of the money the Pac-12 receives from third-tier rights ends up being a larger amount, the schools would divide the revenue evenly and everybody would receive the same amount, the source said.
that’s a pretty big giveaway to Texas. If they make more money, they keep it. If they earn less money, they have a safety net to bring Texas up to the same level as everyone else. So Texas gets to have their cake and eat it too? I’m skeptical.
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it's pretty much the same deal USC and UCLA get
in all likelihood Texas won’t get more, or much more if they do, than anyone else. The joint bargaining power of 15 athletic departments is worth a lot more than Texas.
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This sucks
I’m sorry but I hate these moves. No more traditional rivalries just one big f’ing money grab. This will not help college football nor CU. Sucks ass
what rivalries are being lost really?
we’ve already lost nebraska-cu, but I think Utah will be a very good rival for us. the only real rivalry being lost is Texas-TexasA&M and I suspect once they get the sticks out of their asses they’ll play each other again OOC.
The only shitty part I see in this is we get knocked out of a pretty sweet division with UCLA and USC into a shit pod with Arizona schools and Utah.
Not a fan of this either...
Culturally, academically, geographically, the Texas and Oklahoma schools aren’t a good fit with the Pac. The one saving grace to this though, if it does indeed happen, is that with 4 “super-conferences” (SEC, Pac-16, ACC, BigTen), college football is pretty close to a real playoff system. The four winners have of those conferences should be playing a semi-final and final national championship game. And the rest of the teams can play the bowls.
maybe the oklahoma schools aren't
but Texas certainly is a good fit academically and culturally.
geography went out the window when CU and Utah joined. If you look at it Lubbock, is almost exactly the same distance from Boulder as SLC. Stillwater and Norman are closer than any of the AZ schools. we’re the geographic outliers, if anything this makes more sense geographically.
Looking at map
you are right but when it comes to time zones you would now have three time zones instead of two which you already had becasue arizona doesn’t do the day light saving thing.
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getting into the central time zone is actually a big advantage for national exposure
let’s be honest, nobody east of the mississippi has ever watched a pac-10 football game. the games start too late and have no appeal for midwestern/easterners. getting into the central time zone turns the conference from a regional one into a national one. getting an earlier start time is a big advantage for TV sets. However, those in the central time zones will also be watching some games with 10pm start times.
I kind of agree...
When you’re talking about normal academics, the Texas student body and the town of Austin I agree completely, but when you look the 100 million dollar press box they just put in, the enormous video board, and what they’re doing with the Longhorn Network, I think it’s clear the priorities of Texas and Colorado are much different. UT is a football factory.
UT is on par academically w/ UW and USC and probably slightly below the UC schools
meaning the academics (especially graduate programs) are better at UT than they are at CU. UT just happens to have the highest grossing athletic department in the nation and an enormous budget. I wouldn’t say their priorities are different, they just are in a unique position given their revenue.
I just think adding the Oklahoma schools alone is a mistake. You’re right they don’t fit culturally or academically. Only if Texas comes along would it be worth relaxing the academic standards and allowing OKSt in.
As a football fan, I don’t think there’s any debate that a Pac-16 headlined by OU, Texas, USC and UO would have a national appeal that the current Pac-12 can’t touch. Unfortunately for CU we’ll likely end up in a less favorable division and may have a tougher road back to national prominence.
Dang
I fucking hate Texas.
That was hard to watch, but fun too. Andrew Luck won't be playing for Denver in 2012. But he sure may be in Kansas City.
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