Big 12 / Pac 10 Expansion - ESPN Reports Colorado Has Pac 10 Offer
According to ESPN, it's sources and a Big 12 head coach, Colorado has been offered a spot in the Pac-10 conference. The article says Colorado beat out Baylor due to the Denver television market that the Pac-10 coveted. If true, the new conference would likely move to 16 teams with the rest of the Big 12 South joining Colorado in the move:
Colorado already has received an invitation to join the conference, while five other invitations will be extended to Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.
A Big 12 football coach, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach on Wednesday night that if Nebraska left the Big 12 the conference would dissolve, according to his athletics director and university president. The coach said Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado would join the Pac-10, leaving Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State behind.
ESPN's source also indicated that the Pac-16 would be split into two division, not four pods of four teams which Colorado fans would prefer to get away from schools like Texas and Oklahoma but also have more of a footprint in California, a prized recruiting ground for the Buffs with a strong alumni and donor base.
The new conference would be split into divisions with the Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado forming an Eastern Division with Arizona and Arizona State opposite the former Pac-8 (USC, UCLA, Stanford, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) in the Western Division. The division champions would play at season's end for the conference championship, the source said.
Further, the Pac-16 may not have a championship game, but instead prefer an automatic BCS bid for both divisions. Such a strategy might allow the Pac-16 to have two teams play for the National Championship. The article does not mention if any cross divisional games would exist. Play in the Pac-16 would begin in 2012.
"The Pac-10 doesn't believe in a championship game," the coach said. "And coaches in the Big 12 don't like it anyway."
One the surface, this could be a piece of bad news for the Buffs considering they will be battling the Big 12 South every year but the financial gain from this move is obviously beneficial to the University and the athletic program.
If Nebraska is forced to stay in the Big 12, then the Pac-10 might go after Colorado plus Utah or Nebraska but that seems unlikely. As for those financial benefits, ESPN has a guess at what it might mean to the University of Colorado and other potential members:
It would take a week to 10 days to finalize the details of a Pac-16. The blockbuster deal would add the nation's No. 5 (Dallas), No. 10 (Houston) and No. 16 (Denver) TV markets to the conference, which already includes No. 2 Los Angeles, No. 6 San Francisco, No. 12 Phoenix and No. 13 Seattle.
With that large population base, the new conference would start its own network and, along with other broadcast partners, likely would distribute around $20 million per member, comparable broadcast revenue to the Big Ten ($22 million) and SEC ($17 million), the source said.
That $20 million per member is double the amount the Big 12 paid out last year on average to its members. This would also double the payout each existing Pac-10 member would receive as well.
Now if the report is true, here are some things to think about.
The positives to this situation are obvious: Part of the great conference with an academic reputation second to none. Absolutely the Buffs would be in one of the most relevant and important conferences in college football. An extra $10 million a year with a television deal is not too shabby either. Certainly, joining the Mountain West or trying to form another conference with the leftovers leaves you on the outside looking in "to the big conference teams." All the things that come with being a part of the mega-conference like recruiting, fundraising, etc should be improve.
That being said, Colorado has a lot of work to do now to be competitive if this report is indeed true. Certainly, if the conference is split into divisions as referred to above, The University of Colorado, from the top of the administration down to the bottom, will have to re-dedicate itself to being a competitive member of the Pac-16 or else this will be a miserable experience. Essentially, the Buffs may have joined the Big 12 South when they have not been competitive in an inferior Big 12 North for the past few years. New facilities will need to be built, admission standards will need to be discussed especially for junior college transfers and possibly expanding the athletic offering to other sports like men's tennis and baseball.
Also, hopefully this will reignite the fan base. Disgruntled, a hopeless feeling, still slightly embarrassed of the incidents a few years ago will hopefully bring the state of Colorado back to the side of the University. Along with that, donors should emerge and help rebuild the program now in preparation. Checkbooks need to be broken out and donations need to be made to the athletic department and tickets need to be bought. It's big boy sports now in the Big 12 South/Pac-10.
All in all, this is potentially exciting news and a chance for Colorado to re-emerge as a power but just accepting an offer won't be enough, work will need to be done immediately.
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Recruiting
The PAC-16 will help recruiting tremendously. We will be in the biggest, baddest conference, along with being in the same conference as California schools and the same division as Texas schools. FYI – Texas and Cali are our biggest recruiting hot beds.
In addition, Missouri, Kansas, and Lansas State will have a very hard time recruiting Texas now – CU will benefit tremendously from that.
Bout time!
I hope the admin doesn’t screw this up
by fluffybuff on Jun 9, 2010 10:26 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I sure hope that the Pac-10 has indeed offered you guys an invitation to join our conference.
I have been to Boulder a few times, and I really enjoy that city. I really like what your school and your fans have to offer the conference. Unlike the Oklahoma and Texas schools, CU seems like a wonderful cultural addition. I am very glad to see that you guys share my excitement at (hopefully :) joining the Pac-whatever it may end up being.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
I can't wait to come to Eugene as well.
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Finally!!
I can resume normal life and not check this and other sites every half hour for updates.
by clbuff28 on Jun 9, 2010 10:35 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Not true.
I expect check ins every half hour still
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Yes, at least until August!!!
Don’t worry Jon, were here for ya…. Besides if I get fired for surfing too much, then I can’t afford an internet connection!
Haha, good point
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I figured it would be divisions
The Pac-10 commish is smart. With no conference championship they’ve basically returned to the original Pac-8. With the “merger” they have managed to almost lock up another conference’s entire non-conference schedule. And they’re also trying to get a BCS AQ for the Pac-8. This is basically what they were working towards previously with the Big12/Pac-10 “alliance” in scheduling that was mentioned a while ago. Now Pac-8 schools may get an AQ, a big TV deal, and still only have to play Texas/OU, what, like once every 3 years? Not bad for them.
the best part about this is going to be the extreme culture clashes
we’ve been dealin with it forever, but pac-10 schools don’t know what they’re getting into. Oregon state or washington state does not count. it really notches up the rivalries when fanbases have no respect for each other.
College Station-Eugene?
Stillwater – Berkley?
Norman-LA?
Lubbock-Seattle?
ha, can’t wait.
wonder how.....
this is gonna work for the bball schedule? one game at each school or two within the division and then 3 or 4 out of division? should be interesting, plus with tad at the helm it will also help our bball recruiting too. more money, better recruits in bball and fball, hopefully, more exposure being in the best conference in the nation.
by BUFFSbballfreak on Jun 9, 2010 11:15 PM MDT reply actions
We're going to see some great teams come to Boulder too
We lose Kansas, but we get Texas, Arizona, A&M, Oklahoma and the West teams. It’s going to be fun.
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Stick a fork in CU Football
This deal with the Pac 16? now will seal the fate of the CU football for years to come. You want to see CU’s future in the PAC 16 East? Just look at Baylor’s past in the Big 12 South. That should give any CU fan nightmares except were already living that nightmare with right now in the weak Big 12 North.
“……a chance for Colorado to re-emerge as a power ……..” Run that by the odds makers in Las Vegas and after the laughter subsides, they would probably tell you no one would take the other side of that bet.
Financially CU had to take this deal and the unintended consequence will be the near death of it’s football program. Let’s see the state of CU football 5 years into this conference. I think you will find the program in worse shape than it already is today, but hey, at least fans will get to see a blowout in Berkley instead of Lincoln.
I sure hope I am wrong but I think the probability of CU becoming the door mat of the PAC-16 East are far greater than them becoming the Pac-16 East Champions. I think that is the only bet the smart money would take.
Exaggeration
the only teams that are consistently good are OU and Texas. A&M and OKSt. are usually good but by no means invincible. Tech is nothing special just like the two AZ schools. They’ll have their random good years and then they’ll suck the next. So I would put us right in the middle of the pack if we can make even a marginal improvement in the next year or two. Hardly a doormat. That title belongs in Arizona.
Also, I think its pretty obvious the Pac-16 east top to bottom is going to dominate pac-16 west.
Or....
On the other hand we already have a big connection with Texas for recruiting (bc now the other big12 rejects will have a hard time recruiting there) and we mostly recruit cal anywys. Our alumni base is larger in cal than most big12 states and our recruits from Cal will now be able to play in front of their families. I see the admins loving to rub elbows with cal/stanford and saying we beat them. Plus we get 20mil a year for our athletics which I believe is a 11-12mil boost in funding! This is what we need to bring us back to relevance!
by hisnamewas on Jun 10, 2010 12:56 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This should be more likely
Texas and OU have essentially maxed out over the last few years. There is just nowhere else for these teams to improve. They have top coaches, top facilities etc. So the extra money is going to help us a hell of a lot more than it will schools that are already loaded. For them it just falls to the bottom line, at CU it will go towards facilities upgrades, staff improvements etc. UT and OU aren’t going to fire Bob Stoops or Mac Brown to hire a better coach right? I mean how many more five star athletes can they really get? and is there a difference between a 4 and 5 star that different at 18 years old.
CU will become much more of a national program if they are plating televised games against OU and Texas every year and USC, UCLA, Oregon and Cal every three years. No matter the facilities, anybody would rather go to Boulder than Stillwater, Lubbock, College Station, Pullman, WA, even Norman if they think they have the opportunity to win at CU.
I completely agree with this assessment
The two things CU has lacked over the past few years was money and commitment from the administration. Well the money is coming and hopefully the administration will strike a nice balance between academic standards and winning.
by clbuff28 on Jun 10, 2010 8:44 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I battle with what you're battling with as well
It isn’t easy to swallow and if you read my post earlier this week, I mention that I potentially was a proponent of going to the mountain west but as time went on, this may be exactly what we needed as a program.
Along the lines of what NYC said, this deal gives us a lifeline to make improvements in every facet of the athletic department whether it is pay more for coaching, upgrade facilities, etc. Joining the mountain west would keep the same old things happening in Boulder. Of course, the administration better respond with an improvement plan or I agree with you, this will be a disaster. We should consider ourselves very fortunate for the opportunity to turn our program around and the Pac-10 has given us that opportunity.
I understand where the apprehension is coming from, though.
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It would be really disappointing if there weren't any cross-divisional games
They may as well be two separate conferences, save for the financial windfall it will be for everybody. I expect CU to get far more competitive, but it would be a juicier pitch to play USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, etc. every other year at least.
I really hope they end up having cross divisional games. Otherwise it’s a conference in name only and really two conferences with an association. It’s too bad to lose the Nebraska game (living in Ohio it’s the only Buffs game I can count on getting to see every year) but if CU improves maybe the OU rivalry can be rekindled.
“Further, the Pac-16 may not have a championship game, but instead prefer an automatic BCS bid for both divisions.”
Every conference would “prefer” additional BCS bids. What would entice the SEC, ACC, Big Ten [sic], and the rest to go along with granting the PAC-16 this extra bid for free? If you go down this road, the SEC and ACC will demand a BCS bid for both their divisional champs too. Once you start handing them out like candy, the very idea of a BCS bid loses its luster.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jun 10, 2010 8:18 AM MDT reply actions
Exactly. And I for one think that's a very good thing.
The emergence of the 16 team super-conferences will lead to a college football playoff. Better for everyone except those who are currently in bed with the BCS.
Additionally, this will pead to more money for all of the NCAA . . . read the various documentations on the playoff generating ~800 mil per year vs. the existing BCS set up that generates ~200 mil per year.
by blooming rock on Jun 10, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Congrats to the Buffs
From a Wake Forest fan. Y’all will fit much better in the Pac-16 than in the Big 12. I think y’all will start to turn it around as well out there.
Wake Forest '12
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Appreciate it!
I’ve been so engulfed in the Big12/Pac10 stuff that I haven’t paid much attention to the ACC/SEC/Big East noise. You guys feeling like you’re going to stay intact?
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Texas A&M & the SEC - this just in
Just posted in SI: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/06/10/aggies.options/index.html#?eref=sihp
As a Buff alum who lives in Georgia, I think it would be great to have the Aggies in the SEC, and replace them in the Pac16 plans with Utah, go to four pods (CU, Utah, UA, AzSt) and be more free of the Horns…..
Certainly the Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor situation is still up in the air
Hearing more and more that the SEC might be a destination which is the Buffs ultimate dream come true. Any scenario that eliminates Texas and adds Utah is a huge deal.
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