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Baylor Actively Playing Both Sides of the Fence, Buff Fans Circling the Date 10/16/2010

Like me, you probably looked at Baylor on the home schedule this year and quickly passed over it. Now you can circle it on your schedules. The Dallas Morning News has obtained e-mails sent by Baylor regent and prominent lobbyist Buddy Jones to Baylor alumni and supporters within the Texas legislature in an attempt to get the Bears into the Pac-10, shooting Colorado down as being inferior in about every way possible, including that darn adventurous weather.

Maybe if Baylor keeps talking, the Pac-10 and it's current schools will see what they are getting into. All of this might end up helping Colorado when it is all said and done, especially when you start trying to sell your religious background as a reason you should be invited into the Pac-10. Ask Cal, Stanford and Oregon how the feel about such comments. Pretty childish if you ask me, especially when you consider this is coming from a supposed "academic institution." Hopefully the University of Colorado is getting it done behind the scenes with the Pac-10 and they are noticing but I am very glad we haven't seen this sort of stuff from the Colorado side out in public (knock on wood).

Here are the juicy parts:

I have a critical issue that directly affects Baylor and it is very time sensitive. The Big XII and PAC 10 are both meeting separately today. According to a recent newspaper report, the PAC 10 may well issue an invite to all the Big XII South schools to join the PAC 10 – WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BAYLOR. In our stead, the PAC 10 is rumored to substitute Colorado. In this scenario, Baylor gets left out and this would be a major, major setback for our University. Perhaps a setback of immense proportion. The mere rumor of Baylor being left behind is harmful.

We cannot let the other schools in Texas (A&M, U.T., Tech) leave the Big XII WITHOUT BAYLOR BEING INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE. Long and short – if U.T., A&M and Tech demand that any move to any other conference include ALL TEXAS BASED TEAMS from the Big XII, we are golden. We need to be in a PACKAGE DEAL!

As the Big 10, PAC 10 and Big XII discuss re-alignment, the best possible scenario for these four schools (U.T., A&M, Tech and Baylor) is to stay in the Big XII Conference as it currently exists. That is the absolute BEST THING FOR ALL OF US – KEEP THE BIG XII INTACT.

• However, if some schools in the Big XII North feel compelled to go elsewhere (we hear rumors of Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska looking toward the Big 10), the next best scenario is to KEEP ALL SIX SCHOOLS FROM THE BIG XII SOUTH AS A PACKAGE DEAL. Do not leave Baylor out.

• There was a report today that the PAC 10 might extend an offer to invite five of the South schools to join the PAC 10 (Texas, A&M, Tech, Oklahoma and OSU). The report said Baylor would be replaced with Colorado. This is Armageddon for our University.

 

This would be devastating to Baylor and to the state of Texas. WE MUST STICK TOGETHER.

 

Baylor is superior to Colorado academically. Baylor has athletic facilities superior to Colorado. Colorado doesn’t participate in the number of sports that Baylor does. Baylor’s overall record in all collegiate sports dwarfs that of Colorado. Our football, basketball (women’s and men’s), baseball, softball, track, tennis, golf programs are vastly superior to Colorado’s. The Baptist church base extends across the country and certainly trumps the University of Colorado’s local base limited to a small town in Colorado.

• I am asking you to commit to me to keeping all six schools from the Big XII South together if we can’t keep the whole Big XII intact. BAYLOR MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE. Make it clear that when it comes to our four Texas schools, IT IS ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL!!

 

Please DO NOT BREAK UP the history and working relationship we have nurtured over the decades.

The Texas legislators taking up for Baylor are pointing to the political and economic importance of keeping the Texas members of the Big 12 South together as well as Colorado's recent athletic struggles and lack of sports such as baseball, softball and men's tennis.

 

(The CU football team is 16-33 the past four years, and the hoops team has made the NCAA Tournament twice in the last 41 years. Baylor's football isn't much better at 15-33, but the Bears' hoops program is on the rise.)

 

"Denver as a television market doesn't really support Colorado," the source said. "And the weather can also be an adventure."

If the PAC 10 makes it's offer today without a final answer from Nebraska I am not positive what it means for us. My guess is that Colorado hasn't taken enough broadside hits to sink their boat yet and they may well be on the invite list. I hope I'm wrong. But there's still time left to change the scoreboard. We aren't through.

 

 

 

 

Star-divide

Andy Staples of Sports Illustrated points out that Baylor says they are "loyal" to the Big 12 but are doing a lot of work behind the scenes to align themselves with the Pac-10:

Starr did say one thing that reflected more closely what really is going on behind the scenes. Responding to a question about whether he believed Baylor will be invited if the Pac-10 pillages the Big 12, Starr said political forces have marshaled to defend Baylor against those who would suggest that the program doesn't deserve to go along with three Texas public schools.

"What we do know is that members of our board of regents are working tirelessly to make Baylor's case known," Starr said. "There are these great traditions and rivalries among the Texas schools."

Of course, Starr had to throw in this: "But our energy is devoted entirely to keeping the Big 12 together."

Replace "Big 12" with "Texas schools which happen to be in the Big 12 at this moment," and you've got something closer to the truth. Athletically, Baylor has a case for inclusion. The Bears have won more Big 12 titles than anyone except Texas and Texas A&M. Also, Baylor's athletes have led the Big 12 in graduation rates five times and finished second three times. (With the inclusion of those stats in a column on a national site, Starr accomplished his goal Monday.) Still, the politicians in Texas working to add Baylor to the list will have to clear some hurdles out west. The Pac-10 contains eight state schools and two secular private schools. Baylor is the nation's largest Baptist university, and state- and secular-school CEOs can be hesitant to embrace a church school.

Also, Colorado is a member of the prestigious Association of American Universities. Baylor is not. Colorado brings the Denver television market, the nation's 16th largest. It doesn't matter how big the Waco, Texas, market is (No. 89, if you're scoring at home), because the three Texas public schools would deliver every market in the Lone Star State to the Pac-10.

So, if the Big 12 crumbles, Baylor will have to rely on the politicians to win itself a golden ticket. Otherwise, the athletic department becomes TCU with an inferior football team or SMU with an inferior location.

But what am I talking about? Baylor is committed to the Big 12, just like Texas and all those other schools in the south division. Their leaders can't stop talking about how much they love the Big 12.

Even as they plan for the day they may leave it in ruins.

I wonder if and when the University of Colorado will start "playing the game."

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Ha...

It’s good Baylor doesn’t have an NFL team. They would probably sit out the 2014 season, in fear of having to play in Super Bowl XLVIII at the New Meadowlands Stadium. It took us 15 years, but folks, we’ve finally created a rivalry with a team in the Big 12.

by BupsJones on Jun 7, 2010 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

WoW!

Who do these f’ing people think they are? What a joke or I wish it was a joke. Does the Pac Ten really want to deal with these religious zealots? I hope not.
As I said in another post it’s time for CU’s administration and the state of Colorado to step up to the plate for once and drop Baylor from the picture.

by CleBUFFS on Jun 7, 2010 7:55 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

this line should really make Cal among other schools squirm:
The Baptist church base extends across the country and certainly trumps the University of Colorado’s local base limited to a small town in Colorado.

The Pac-10 should run away from all of this crap, invite Utah and CU and move on. All of this Baylor banter might help Colorado’s chances.

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by Bob_Bell on Jun 7, 2010 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

F Baylor

The justice here is that no matter what happens, they’ll still have to call Waco home.

by highlandsbuff on Jun 7, 2010 8:25 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

No doubt

all this Baylor yapping drives the point home. These guys are Wacko’s from Waco! The existing Pac-10 schools would be crazy to endorse this deal. They do and they are sentencing themselves to more Texas-sized shenanigans, influence peddling by the good ole’boys in the State House, etc. Keep it coming Baylor, your digging yourselves a hole.

by mam2jd on Jun 7, 2010 8:26 PM MDT reply actions  

heh

“Our football, basketball (women’s and men’s), baseball, softball, track, tennis, golf programs are vastly superior to Colorado’s”

Well, Baylor has it right, they are vastly superior to us in some of those sports…mainly b/c we don’t have them. Although we should have an f’ing baseball team…..But Ouch! The football part. That’s pretty tough talk coming from fricking Baylor. Wonder what Hawk thinks about that? FRICKING… BAYLOR…. HAWK!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE!!!! What happened to that lovely intramural rant that so endeared us to you….Come out of that valley with your horns sharp pal!
Baylor also needs to remind themselves that all their championships are in Tennis also.

by Ever on Jun 7, 2010 8:47 PM MDT reply actions  

National Championships

Colorado 23, Baylor 2

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by Bob_Bell on Jun 7, 2010 8:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Kiss the Rings

So what if 20 of them are skiing

by NYCskibum on Jun 7, 2010 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds desperate

Like Dad trying to marry off the runt of his litter. What a shameless display of crap…. WHO WERE THOSE E-MAILS SENT TO???

As others have pointed out, the COlorado powers that be better be working this because as you see Baylor sure is…. He did get one point right, “This is Armageddon for our University” and we should consider it the same.

How many programs have you heard of that went to some tier 2 conference and then ever made it back to relevence?

by BuffnBigD on Jun 7, 2010 9:13 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree with your analysis Bob

If Baylor has proven anything with this, it’s that they don’t care about anyone but themselves.

Hopefully the Pac 10 sees that.

And bringing up weather?!? REALLY?!?
I’ve spent time in Waco (more than I’ll admit to) and it was always awful…AWFUL. Blistering heat, and nothing to take your mind off of it. Waco is a wasteland. Actually, Waco gives wastelands a bad name. The other Texas schools can take it because they’re used to visiting Baylor, but I’m hoping the Pac 10 schools think about where they’d rather visit: One of the most beautiful campuses in the country, or Waco friggin’ Texas.

God I hate Waco

DAG

by DavidAGerhardt on Jun 7, 2010 9:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow...

Mark your calenders-10/16

by BigXIITDOG on Jun 7, 2010 9:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Code Red on Buddy Jones

I’m just writing what everyone else is thinking.

by clbuff28 on Jun 7, 2010 11:00 PM MDT reply actions  

WOW

this is amazing. I don’t wanna get into a back and forth here, but I will anyway cause it’s kinda fun. Frankly I wouldn’t mind staying in the BigXII but for arguments sake here goes:

We can agree that both football programs have been sorry recently, but there’s really no comparison historically. A National Championship, 1 Big XII championship, and 4 Big XII north titles compared to NOTHING for Baylor. No bowl appearances this decade. Baylor hadn’t even won a Big XII road game until 2005! Their best conference record is 3-5.

CU has also had the balls to schedule quality opponents even when they suck. Between 1990 and 2009, CU has played 28 non-conference games against ranked teams. This is at least DOUBLE everyone in the BigXII except Texas(23). Winning half of those is good for the second highest winning % behind Nebraska. Baylor has only played 11 ranked out of conference teams in that time and has won 2 of them.

In addition, CU has always been well televised nationally. Every year the CU-Nebraska game is televised on ABC. Baylor has made it on ABC only twice since 1997. The last three years we’ve had no less than 5 and as many as 6 games on ABC or ESPN. Couldn’t find much other TV info on Baylor, but I suspect it’s not impressive.

On to basketball, nobody is going to argue that CU is a bball powerhouse. We haven’t made the tourney since 03 and haven’t gotten to the 2nd round since Chauncey in 97. Baylor, despite reportedly being vastly superior, made the tourney last year for the first time since losing in the 1st round in 88! I don’t need to mention the scandals since CU has been through its fair share, but at least no one was murdered that I’m aware of.

Women’s basketball at CU, while quite good under Ceal Barry has now fallen off the map. Point Baylor.

I hear about Baylor’s track program being so storied, but according to wikipedia only the Buffs have taken home a Big12 championship this decade. CU also has one of the top men’s and women’s Cross Country teams in the nation almost every year and they have won 5 national championships between them.

We don’t even have baseball/softball teams so that comparison is foolish. Nor do we have men’s tennis (though that was cut fairly recently during my tenure at CU). I think most will agree that giving up skiing as a CU sport is not an option so we’ll have to make due without a baseball/softball team or ideally drop golf.

Oh and the weather comment is ridiculous. I live in Austin now and those games early in the year are BRUTAL. Thankfully most UT games are scheduled late in the evening.

Either way hopefully Texas legislators get sent a few of these facts. Baylor is clearly and understandably desperate. CU is more deserving athletically, culturally and most important-academically. Sorry Baylor. If this prevents the rest of Texas from leaving then so be it. Whew. that was good.

by skithebert on Jun 7, 2010 11:50 PM MDT reply actions  

another great post

the three of us think alike :-)

by nebraskasux on Jun 8, 2010 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Six Nobel Laureates, seven MacArthur Fellows, and 17 astronauts

to Baylor’s two Nobel Laureates from an acquired medical school in like 1913.
CU is ranked 34th best University, Baylor 80th….
CU’s research money from NASA is #1. Baylor…they don’t have an aerospace department… :(
http://engineering.colorado.edu/overview/fact_sheets.htm

whatever Baylor, you guys are awesome!

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by DjSarcazm on Jun 8, 2010 3:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Reading all that crap coming from Baylor

reminds me of when they manipulated the “powers that be” in Texas and the Big 8 to take them on in 1994 when the Big 12 agreement was signed. There’s only, really, two “big” Texas schools (A&M, U of T) and a third that’s really about the size of CSU (Tech)….Baylor is the little sister of the poor that’s hitched its Baptist wagon to the big schools since the Southwest Conference. When the agreement was forged in 1994, it was originally for just Texas and A&M….then Tech came along….then Baylor somehow had the political clout (Ann Richards) to manipulate it’s way into the conference when, by all rights, it should be playing in the same league as Houston.

All in all, however….it’s sounding more and more like the last cry of desperate people

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by jpage78 on Jun 8, 2010 12:37 AM MDT reply actions  

What a joke

There’s nothing but “Oh SH*T!!” desperation here. “We must stick together” in all caps, repeated how many times? The very idea of BAYLOR (located in WACO) being “vastly superior” to CU or Colorado in ANYTHING is nothing but a joke. Simply laughable.

Blahblahblah, yadayadayada. Desperation, she make a stinky cologne…

by AllBroncsallday on Jun 8, 2010 8:53 AM MDT reply actions  

This is great news in my opinion.

Baylor has clearly received, and come to terms with, the message that they aren’t being invited into the Pac 10. I believe they have enough clout to pull the Texas schools together to remain as a block. Those two things together mean all of the Texas schools stay in the Big 12. As a result, Colorado and Utah are headed to the Pac 10 together….

Based on everything I have heard I think that is the likely outcome here.

by Buff-in-CA on Jun 8, 2010 12:29 PM MDT reply actions  

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