Pac-10 Expansion / Big-12 Demise: Anticipation Builds For What Happens Next
Now that it looks like the Colorado Buffaloes are headed to the Pac-10 conference, the attention turns to what's next and who will follow the Buffs. With Nebraska looking to jump to the Big Ten, the Big 12 is on the verge of dissolving. Texas and Texas A&M are meeting today to discuss their options as rumors swirl about the two teams following suit and joining Colorado in the Pac-10 or potentially looking at another conference.
Conference alignment is immediately on everyone's mind and is the largest piece of apprehension for Buff fans. Practically the only reason not to join the Pac-10 was the fear of being coupled with the Big 12 South minus Baylor. If the Big 12 South teams accepted an offer from the Pac-10, here is potentially how the alignment would look:
Pac 16 East - Colorado Buffaloes, Texas Longhorns, Texas Tech Red Raiders, Oklahoma Sooners, Oklahoma State Cowboys, Texas A&M Aggies, Arizona Wildcats and Arizona State Sun Devils
Pac 16 West - USC Trojans, UCLA Bruins, Stanford Cardinal, California Golden Bears, Washington Huskies, Washington State Cougars, Oregon State Beavers and Oregon Ducks
First impressions? Take a deep breath, be happy the Buffs are in a major conference for now. There are reasons for optimism within this structure, more on that in the future. Obviously, though, this may not be the best structure for the ability to be competitive in the near future.
So what if Texas and Texas A&M take a bid from the Big Ten or SEC, a rumor that is certainly out there. Well that would obviously mix things up a little, possibly with the Pac-10 adding Oklahoma and Oklahoma State along with Utah. However, most of the reports that we have seen have indicated that it's either going to be a 12 or 16 team conference.
Are there other options if 16 teams are included? Potentially. The 4 team pod system has been brought up by multiple sources but it doesn't seem to have a ton of legs right now. Most reports have the Pac-16 staying in two divisions. The biggest reason being that the Pac-16 may not want a championship game, instead prefering an automatic BCS bid for both divisions. Such a strategy could potentially see the Pac-16 having two teams play for the National Championship. If the pods were to happen, this is the potential structure:
Colorado, Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State
Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State and Oklahoma
USC, UCLA, California, Stanford
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
This might be the best of both worlds where you get the additional money Texas would bring into the conference but not directly in their division. A lot of kinks to work out but here is how Neil Woelk of the Boulder Daily Camera thinks it may work:
Sources have told me the Pac-10 has studied a "pod system" for a 16-team league in football. The league would be divided into two divisions, with two four-team pods in each division. Teams in each pod would play each other every year in football (three games), and play two teams from the other three pods each year for a total of nine league games. The two division champions would then meet in the league title game.
For the sake of argument, we`ll leave Colorado in the Pac-16 for the moment. Here`s one scenario of how the pods would break down: 1) Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M and Oklahoma; 2) Colorado, Oklahoma State, Arizona and Arizona State; 3) Southern Cal, UCLA, Cal and Stanford; 4) Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State.
Such a structure gives each team a chance to play every program over the course of time, something that is appealing to the University of Colorado due to a large California alumni base. Being able to play in both Texas and California in a given year also helps with recruiting and fostering those donor relationships. The Pac-10 may have joined what was the Big 12 arms race so raising money and improving facilities is going to be imperative for long term success.
Another option is only Utah coming over to the Pac-10 to form a 12 team conference or only Texas coming over to form a 12 team conference, ditching it's ties to A&M and Oklahoma.
If only Utah/Texas got the call to join, the conferences may align like this:
Colorado, Utah/Texas, Washington, Washington State, Oregon and Oregon State
USC, California, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona and Arizona State.
The writing appears to be on the wall, though, that the Pac-10 wants the rivalries of Oklahoma-Texas, Texas-Texas A&M, Oklahoma-Oklahoma State. They want the entire Texas marketplace. The only question is if the pod system or division system will be put in place.
The other big question out there is the issue of paying the Big 12 $10 million for leaving the conference which is part of the Big 12 agreement. Many Buff fans will wonder how the University will pay such a steep penalty when they could not afford to buy Dan Hawkins out last year. Well, this is a different scenario. The administration, faculty, CU foundation and the Colorado Regents would love to be in the Pac-10 given it's academic prestige. They will find the money or else this deal would not have been approved by the CU regents. Surely, tons of litigation will play out over time regarding this but if 9 of 12 schools vote to disband the conference then the fee is not owed. Right now, it looks like Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor will be without a conference so that 9 out of 12 vote may be interesting unless those schools find a new conference home and disband from the conference as well.
The fan base will have to rally around the University now. Donating money and starting the improvement process now will be extremely important.
Also, email this guy and tell him thanks for being on top of this situation - mike.bohn@colorado.edu. He has been the brunt of a lot of bad emails over the last few years but it's time to move forward and get back on the bandwagon. This is a big day for the University as it gives the athletic programs a chance to start over and move to bigger and better things.
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Washington State Cyclones!
Ha ha that is funny. Was that intentional? Or just a Freudian slip of some kind, either way it is funny. Oh and welcome, I have been rooting foe you guys to get in. Thank god it won’t be Baylor.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
I wish it was!
Just made our first rival
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lets keep the momentum going!
I imagine Bohn will be spending the rest of the summer hitting up alums for cash, and with the changes I bet he’ll get it. Wouldn’t be completely surprised if an opening loss to CSU would be Hawk’s last game.
people won't have tolerance for it anymore
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While I think the Pods would be good for us
I just don’t see the Pac 10—and more specifically, the original Pac 8 schools—wanting anything other than divisions. They like the round-robin, and they like playing the same schools every year. I’m pretty sure divisions are the way it’s going to go. Also, the idea of two BCS bids is intriguing. I always thought a conference championship game was one of the driving forces behind conference expansion, but I’m beginning to think otherwise. I believe the Pac 10 will fight for this, or they’ve already been given some assurance that it will happen. That’s a ton of teams that could be fighting for BCS bowls in one conference, and I think it would devalue all of them to only get one bid. I’m not sure a 16 team conference could work with only one BCS bid.
But we’ll have to see. That could be the next big story in expansion and realignment, especially if the Big 10 decides to move to 14 or 16 teams.
DAG
by DavidAGerhardt on Jun 10, 2010 12:01 PM MDT reply actions
Welcome to the Pac
Husky fan here. Just wanted to say welcome to the Pac. I have been hoping you guys would join for months. I recall the great games with you in the 90s, and have friends and family that are CU fans. You are a natural fit, this should be fun.
Ditto My wife
get ready for the “house divided” and defend your turf.
Can't wait......
To see Ralphie run onto the rose bowl and take a massive dump all over slick Ricks pretty blue field!
by AlaBuff on Jun 10, 2010 1:01 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTbc98uqofI
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I don't care who you are...
that’s some funny shtuff right there!!!
DON'T TRUST ANY WASHINGTON FAN
A quick word of advice, don’t trust anyone you meet from Seattle or anyone affiliated with University of Washington. You’ll probably be turned off immediately by their smug, pretentious attitude and at that point I’d quickly suggest Northern Colorado would be favored against them in football and probably has more overall talent on the roster. The Huskies suck. Not really any way around it. Washington State is cool, no beef against them aside from the fact I get so damn bored on our trips to Martin Stadium and Pullman, I can never find anything worth doing in Spokane or Pullman on Friday, Saturday nights. It’s alright though, most Wazzu fans I’ve run into through the years are fine. Their brethren out west though, a bunch a a-holes.
Stay away.
Welcome to the Pac-10 Buffs.
Friends dont let friends go to Oregon State, hell, even root for them.
by WashingtonDCduck on Jun 10, 2010 1:39 PM MDT reply actions
Haha,
Much appreciated
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smug, pretentious attitude
Have you met the University of Texas fans yet?
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thanks to all the pac-10 school fans
for the welcome.
i am truly excited to play the pac-10 teams every year and to form new rivalries.
i hope CU helps ratchet up the competition, i have faith this will rejuvenate us.
First off...
Congratulations Buffs.
Second; it looks like A&M may be SEC-bound and now Texas is back in Big10 talks. This may have just turned into a giant game of freeze tag, Texas-style, every man for himself.
With NU to Big10, you guys to Pac10, A&M to SEC, and whomever else to ??? Who knows how this will shake out.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Jun 10, 2010 1:42 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Fluid situations change by the second.
It’s the top story, I’m doing this from my phone so no direct links.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Jun 10, 2010 2:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
direct link
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Jun 10, 2010 2:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
we don't take Okie State without the others
not happening
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Surprised OU and OSU would seperate.
Seems like they would both go to SEC if that option was open.
Report was debunked...
Per Chip Brown @ Orangebloods.com citing A&M and UT sources.
What’s being said is that UT/A&M go nowhere without TT…
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Jun 10, 2010 5:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
ESPN radio said to expect an announcement from Okie State soon
And that they will be going to the Pac 10 as well.
So who knows… too many rumors out there.
Hey, where’s the Ralphie Report T-shirt from the contest a few months ago… or any other garb to show our support?
by The Notorious R.O.B. on Jun 10, 2010 2:32 PM MDT reply actions
we held off because of the Pac-10 thing so we can redesign if needed
glad we did! More to come really soon.
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LOL.....Mike Evans is on the Fan right now crying that CU didnt go to the Mountain West
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
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Yeah, this is tough to listen to
Does he not get that the MW pays a fraction of other conferences?
by highlandsbuff on Jun 10, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
What could the rationale possibly be
for CU to go to the MWC? Has Evans lost his marbles or what?
You can make a decent case for it
but it comes with a lot of ifs
the case is being competitive in the Pac-10 with Texas, OU etc
But as we have seen today, Texas, OU, etc aren’t locks for the Pac10. The best move, outside of any other influences, was to jump to the Pac10
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I don't think Mike has recieved the memo
and he forgets that the Pac 10 has wanted CU for 20 YEARS
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
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it's about more than just wins and losses
CU loses money if they join the MWC….fact
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Quitter's People United Member # 78
And...
The bulk of our recruiting is on the west coast. No?
yes
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God....Evans is drifting further into delusion
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
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Sounds like you guys have your share of awful "journalists",
Geez, you guys really are a great fit in the Pac-10!!!
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
All signs point to UT, A&M, OSU, OU, and Tech to Pac10.
KCTV5’s report about A&M and UT to Big10 was debunked by A&M and UT officials.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Jun 10, 2010 5:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
expansion
Either Texas leads an exodus of five teams to the Pac-10 that follow Colorado or it remains true to the Big 12 and the league becomes more reminiscent of the old Southwest Conference.
http://philiptortora.blogspot.com/2010/06/future-of-big-12-hinges-on-texas.html
this is great news...
Positions the Buffs for years to come in the premiere athletic conference in the nation. Can’t help but improve our overall athletic program. Congrats to everyone at CU!
by HBbuff on Jun 10, 2010 3:01 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
photo
is hot. I want it blown up huge on my office wall.

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