Pac-10 Expansion Discussion Roundup
The University of Colorado being one of the focal points of the recent Pac-10 expansion rumors has generated a lot of really great discussion here on The Ralphie Report. As you might imagine the subject peaks the interest of all sorts of college football fans, especially those within the Pacific-10 conference, and I wanted to make sure you were all aware of some of the great stuff around the SBNation network.
Addicted to Quack - Eastward, Ho! Pac-10 Expansion Will Happen, But Only If Colorado Wants To Play
Utah would jump into the Pac-10 in a heartbeat. Colorado is a much more interesting question. Other than Nebraska in football, they don't have any particularly great rivalries in the Big Twelve. But they do have a long history with many of those schools as a long time Big 8 member. That said, they seem to have a profile much more like a Pac-10 school than a Big XII school, being a large liberal arts college in a cosmopolitan area and a campus that seems more liberal that the rest of the Big XII. I think it would be easier for Colorado to recruit California as a member of the Pac-10 then it is for them to recruit Texas as a member of the Big XII.
Bruins Nation - Expanding To Pac-12? No To Utah, Perhaps Intrigued With Colorado
Now, if the Pac-10 were dead set on expanding, I think the most logical way to expand it would be to add two prominent schools from another relatively populated Western State with a big metro region that has a high profile college football culture, so that the conference can be symmetrical in it's regional divide, and maintain it's end of the season rivalries. If there were to be a Pac-10 expansion, to me Colorado-Colorado State would be the other logical choice. CU-CSU's fierce and intense natural rivalry would reach a whole new dimension under the glare of the Pac-10. The addition of those two teams would also add Denver as another huge Metropolis TV market in the conference in addition to Seattle, Bay Area, LA, and Phoenix. Still this just an idea since I am not sure whether Colorado or Colorado State meets Pac-10 standards as research institutions.
BCS Evolution - Dominoes - PAC 10 Edition
Texas and Colorado are included in the assessment, but are ruled unlikely for various reasons. The remaining teams in the PAC 10 footprint are Boise State, BYU, Fresno State, Hawaii, Idaho, Nevada, SDSU, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah and Utah State.
While Boise State is a solid football program, they have little else to offer. Hawaii is really the only other university worth mentioning.
This leaves us with, BYU, Colorado, Hawaii, Utah and Texas as the serious contenders.
Many more after the jump...
Coug Center - How Does The Pac-12 Sound To You?
Count me among those fundamentally opposed to expansion, mostly for this reason: The only benefit gained by adding two more schools to the conference is to increase football revenue. I understand football drives the money-making bus in the world of college athletics, through both television contracts and bowl games, but such a move does nothing to enhance the conference in any other meaningful way. Without getting into the long, drawn-out, self-righteous, moralistic reasons for my opposition, I'll just leave it at this: It would undeniably detract from just about everything I love about the set-up of our conference, both in football and in every other sport.
California Golden Blogs - Soundoff: Is Pac-10 Expansion A Good Idea?
In other words, ESPN would probably be more likely to schedule games for a Pac-12 rather than a Pac-10, there would be opportunities for additional bowls and more plum matchups cross-conference, and put the conference on a more equal footing with its Eastern counterparts. Whether that'd actually happen is another story altogether, but expansion does sound like it could resolve some of these bigger issues.
Block U - Where There Is Smoke - Utah To The Pac-10?
It's not hard to put two and two together on this one, folks. They're seriously looking at the possibility of expansion and if they were to ever expand, this would be the logical time.
Not a year from now. Or even a month from now. But today.
Personally, I doubt we'll hear anything this week. Or next week. Or a month from now. It'll happen one day (I believe). Not this year, though and maybe not next year.
OBNUG - Speculation 101: Where Would Pac-10 Expansion Leave Boise State?
It would make sense for the Pac-10 to expand in order to reach the magical 12-team league and conference title game that deep-pocketed TV suitors crave. Currently with 10 teams, speculation has turned to the possible additions of Utah and Colorado to round out the Pac-10 into the Pac-10 Or So. The Utes and Buffs would be chosen, it is presumed, due to their athletic and academic excellence.
BYU may then get invited to the Big XII to take Colorado's place. The Mountain West would be two teams smaller and could then offer an invite to the Broncos and one other team.
Corn Nation - Conference Re-Alignment Again - Utah and Colorado To The Pac-10?
If the Big 10 takes Missouri and the Pac 10 takes Colorado, where does that leave the Big 12? And where does it leave Nebraska? Before you respond with "big deal, who needs them, let them leave" comments, it'd be best to consider Nebraska's position. We have a very small TV market. While our fan support is better than anyone's, it generates money for our athletic department, not necessarily for the conference. Were both those teams to leave, there is the (small, granted) possibility that the Big 12 might dissolve (stranger things have happened) and Nebraska might find themselves on the outside looking in.
On the lighter side, if Colorado were to bolt to the Pac-10 would you miss them, or would you want our athletic department to schedule them as a yearly rival so we could beat their butts on a regular basis anyway?
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Get off your high horse Bruins Nation
It CU doesn’t meet “Pac-10 standards as a research institution” you need to kick out half the schools currently in it.
Where CU, CSU, and Utah would fit into the Pac 10’s ARWU 2009 Rankings (the most respected rankings of the world’s research universities):
Stanford
Cal
UCLA
Washington
CU
USC
Arizona
Utah
ASU
Oregon State
CSU
Oregon & WSU (tied)
I think he was just saying that he had no idea what kind of academic standing CU has
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perhaps so
but I remember last time this was discussed there were people from ASU and OSU bad-mouthing our academics. I just have to stand up for CU.
by nebraskasux on Feb 11, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Part of it is that the Pac 10 needs a unanimous vote to expand
Supposedly, Stanford was the lone “no” vote for Texas joining the conference.
+1
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"I mean come on, you can’t be from Nebraska and go to school at CU, I think they take away your overalls or one of your last remaining teeth for that."
by Hollidayrain on Feb 11, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
+1
I though he was a fool. Come on, CU meets standards as a research institution for EVERY BCS conference.
This is a no brainer to me.
Beyond the fact that CU’s principles line up more with the coastal universities, we have always recruited California better than Texas and this would only help. Also, I don’t know about you, but I’d much rather travel to LA or Seattle to see the Buffs play than Missouri.
We recruit better in that area,
like 45% of the students at this school are from that area, and all those places are a much better destination than the glorious towns of the Big XII. The conclusion is obviously screw you big 12, hello pac 12. Like i said before, where do we sign up.
I would also like to lobby for a new name for the conference, after all, we are like 2,000 miles from the pacific. The Wild West Conference, The Pay Attention to us East Coast conference, The We’re still not Affiliated with Nevada, Western Conference. Just thinking out loud…
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Question for you guys:
How does CU’s difficult admissions standards fit into this equation? I’ve read that CU is by far the hardest school to qualify to as an athlete of anyone in the Big 12, including Texas and A&M which have challenging standards for everyone else, but very low standards for their athletes (see Michigan which does the same thing). By moving to the PAC 10, would that give us a leg up? I have to assume that at least Stanford and UCLA have high admissions standards? But I know Cal lets in hoodlums that can barely read (i.e. Marshawn Lynch). So does that make a difference or do our admissions standards hamstring us regardless of conference?
hard to say
I definitely think there would be a more even playing field if we were in the Pac-10, but I don’t know all the particulars. Obviously Cal is one of best universities in the world, I doubt they would let people in that we turn away, but I think the difference is that Cal, UCLA, and Stanford’s athletic departments have the full support of their administrations and they take sports seriously. It appears that we don’t, and as long as it stays that way we’ll have trouble regardless of what conference we’re in.
by nebraskasux on Feb 11, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Bingo
but I think the difference is that Cal, UCLA, and Stanford’s athletic departments have the full support of their administrations and they take sports seriously
Do we have harder academic standards overall than UCLA, Cal, Stanford…heck no
Does our administration make it harder for athletic standards than UCLA, Cal and Stanford…definitely. It really is a shame
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THis is fun.
Even if nothing happens at least it keeps the off-season kind of exciting. Some new conference alignment could be a lot of fun!
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
I am all for it, I think it would benefit CU and the PAC-10 tremendously
One: It is a lot easier to sell a recruit the idea of getting to play in Boulder when you have road games in Arizona and California, and Seattle, versus Lincoln, Kansas, Iowa, and Texas.
Two: I think you would see a lot more alumuni support on the road since there are more alumnni living in California, Oregon, and Washington versus Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, and Oklahoma and West Texas.
Three: If the PAC-12 can generate a championshp game and guarenteed big TV contract, more recruits are going to want to come and play in that conference.
Four: If we leave and the Big 12 goes down to ten schools (I assume Mizzou would head to the Big 10), then Nebraska and the other Big 12 north schools aren’t going to be able to recruit kids in California or Texas, CU will be the natural choice for kids who want to be seen in a big time conference, I am sure Texas and OKlahoma will still be able to recruit well in-state and in Texas, but the north teams will be screwed.
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Agree on your point 2
I absolutely agree that CU would be more supported in those markets by alumni. Safe to say alumni end up in those major employment markets much more than staying in the rural Mid West.
Me for example: graduated CU, moved to Seattle, then San Diego, then (New Mexico, but I’m trying to forget that experience), and now Dallas.
I sent an email
Did I miss your response? Could it have gotten lost in the onslaught of KY emails?
I could probably do another of these so post some your stories here.
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Modernizing CU?
If we assume that (american) universities are or have become private enterprises and need to operate like a business, it is obviously in CU’s best interest to associate itself (academically and athletically) with places like Stanford, Cal Berkely, and the University of Washington; and set it sights on the distant future – and not towards the backwaters of aimes, lubbuck, stillwater, waco, college station, and yes, you too: lincoln, you metropolis of hay markets ;) The University of Colorado needs to do a little rebranding – as they say in the advertising world. A new CU era, a new gaze to the west, and yes, a new leadership, would certainly do wonders for CU as an institution in general. CU has obviously chosen to step up its academic standards, and if it wishes to be taken seriously – which is certainly isn’t among the snobs of east coast elite – it needs to compete not with the football dogmatism of TEXAS and OKLAHOMA.
Instead of suffering from disillionment each year (b/w mass slaughter from Big XII war machines, or upsets from montana states), the buffs need a better plan of attack. No doubt, the Buffs can be very competitive in a new kind of future, and even great!! CU can’t compete with one-dimensional places like norman, oklahoma; and it’s flat out embarrassing to eek out 1 point wins in aimes. If we’re going to throw around that annoying word “competitive”… Boulder/Denver should innovate and compete. Not with Lawence, but with places like Eugene, Seattle, Santa Monica/Los Angeles, and my home, the Berkeley/Bay Area.
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