Who's Next? Options For The Next Head Coach Of The Colorado Buffaloes

by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 8:31 AM MST

First, we need to decide what we want in a head coach. Ties to CU, good recruiter, offense mind, defensive mind, previous head coaching experience, experience in big time programs and big time conference, ties to the west coast SoCal... whatever your are, keep those in mind. But also keep in mind- what is your definition of success for this program going forward? With all that in mind, here are some choices:

Brian Cabral (LB coach, Colorado:

Pros: No one can doubt is passion for the program, the area, the kids, and the fans. Hell, hearing him talk yesterday, I was ready to go tackle somebody. He's a CU institution, his wife runs the Alumni Association, and for as long as I've been a Buffalo, there've been 2 constants: 2 tons of Buffalo rumbling around Folsom before games, and 2 tons of Buffalo angry manning the linebacking corps during games. He's also an ace recruiter for his LBs and the state of Hawai'i, which is surprisingly talent rich, all things considered.

Cons: Never been a coordinator, let alone a head coach. As far as I can tell, he's never been a real candidate. Why is that? I understand why we had to go outside the program after Crusty Tugboat Captain Barnett talked his way out of town, but still. He's got a 3 game audition, at the very least. He also doesn't have much name recognition, and isn't a very sexy pick, if we're looking to capitalize on that new coach smell in fundraising (and we are trying, so there).

Eric Bienemy (RB coach/ Asst HC, Minnesota Vikings:

Pros: There's a lot to like about EB. He's a hell of a recruiter. He's from LA and coached at Ucla. He was born in Louisiana. He's currently coaching the best running back on the planet (Toby Gerhart, not that other dude, um, whatsisname). He's made the move consistently from RB coach to RB coach/ recruiting coordinator to NFL RB coach, to adding NFL Asst. HC to his title (to keep him from taking the USC OC job). He was also a great hype man for our special teams units, although I'm not sure that would continue as an HC. And obviously, he's a CU guy, with good name recognition.

Cons: Let's just say that, if the internet were around when EB was on campus, he would've been a permanent trending topic for CFB fans. Many know his transgressions, and most know lots more rumors of transgressions. Simply put, Eric Bienemy was not a very nice guy when he was on campus. If the disciplinary committee likes getting their hands on Katoa and Sipili, they would've flipped over Eric Bienemy. He's also never been a coordinator responsible for designing his own offense, nor called plays, nor been a head coach.

Brady Hoke (HC, San Diego State):

Pros: He's rebuilt the SDSU program quickly. He previously led his alma mater (Ball State) to success, so he knows how to win. He's also held jobs at BCS programs Oregon State and Michigan. He's also a very decent man. He had a player named Preston King who was a WR/ DB and won the starting PR job as a true freshman. Subsequently, King was diagnosed with a heart condition, and was forced to quit football (he can't even drive any more). But Hoke kept him on scholarship and offered him an assistant coaching position. That's pure class, and I would definitely want that kind of quality of character to lead our program.

Cons: Hey, let's pick the hot name from a non BCS program. When has that ever failed us? Yeah, I'm not sure we've got the stomach to revist that formula quite so quickly. And while he's done a good job of plucking 2nd tier talent from SoCal thus far, I'm unfamiliar with his reputation as a recruiter. Has no ties to CU.

Gus Malzahn, (OC, Auburn):

Pros: He brings 2 things immediately and definitely to the program: Name cachet and an offensive identity. Ask any college football fan, and they can describe his offense to some degree, whether it be "fast," "spread," "high scoring," whatever- every college football fan in America has an least a vague notion of what Malzahn brings to the table.

Cons: Frankly, Cam Newton right now. I'm not at all interested in any sort of scandal, and if it turns out something shady happened, Malzahn's off the table (even if he wasn't directly involved). He's also been something of a job hopper in his short college career (I wouldn't be concerned if not for the low salary we can offer). He has no ties to CU, or anywhere either north or west of Tulsa, really. Considering our last HC got 1.2 million, and our OL coach got $900,000 to move to Auburn, I question whether we can afford it.

Brent Venables (DC, Oklahoma)

Pros: Has good name cachet for a coordinator. Consistently pumps out quality units and pro draft picks. Has been involved in a national championship level program for a good long while. Good recruiter.

Cons: No CU ties, no known ties to the west coast. Never coached in a position not under Bob Stoops.

Greg Davis (OC, Texas)

Pros: (Woods. Head. Explodes. that is all). He's proven that he can design an offense. Obvious strong ties to Texas. A long history in big time programs in the south. Can walk into a recruit's house and say, "I coached Colt McCoy and Vince Young." With a down UT year, he might be had easier and cheaper than would otherwise be possible.

Cons: Well, Texas kind of sucks right now, which strongly brings down his Q rating. He wasn't very good the last time he was a head coach. And he has no ties to either CU or to the western half of the United States in general.

Dave Logan (HC, Mullen High School)

Pros: He's a state icon, for whatever reason. Strong ties to both CU and the state. Huge name recognition in CO. Has led 3 high school programs successfully- Arvada West, Chatfield, and now Mullen. Good recruiting ability, if you count LenDale White to Chatfield, I guess.

Cons: He's never been a college coach, he has no name recognition beyond state lines. It's questionable if he would give up his various media gigs for compensation that is probably comparable for sideways 8 infinity times the stress. This is your Hail Mary, or rather- your Stanford Band play. If it works year one, you've got a chance. If not, you're done, and the program would never recover. Never. We're not Notre Dame and Gerry Faust.

And finally, Bill McCartney, (um, something with churches):

Pros: Obviously beloved by the community. Has a national championship to his name. Took the program from nothing to the very highest level of the sport. I could keep typing, but we all know. Probably cheap.

Cons: He hasn't coached in 15 years. The game has definitely moved on. We no longer have partial qualifieers, which was a big part of Mac's recruiting strategy. The areas we were strong at recruiting- Louisiana, Texas, SoCal, happened when LSU, UT, and USC were all down. He's never even coached when we had widespread INTERNET, or the 85 scholarship limit. The game is just different now. The closest thing I can compare it to is when the Raiders hired that OC out of a bed and breakfast. I'm just not feeling it. And yeah, I abhor his religious/ political views. That rates with me.

Those are probably my top choices. If I think of more, I'll add them below. I don't want an NFL retread, and I think guys like Miles, Mullen, Muschamp, Sumlin, and Belloti as guys we just can't afford.

Now here's my definition of success: 40 wins in 5 years. If we could find a coach that could guarantee 40 wins every five years, I'd give him a lifetime contract. 40 wins= 1 season each of 6,7,8,9, and 10 wins. That's plenty successful for me (I expect many to disagree with that, but that's for another thread. I'm just laying out my parameters).

So here's my preferred coaching list:

HC: Eric Bienemy. I have concerns, but I also don't think he'd come for anything less than the HC job. I also think he's proven enough that, if he didn't have the early year issues, I feel like he'd be a slam dunk choice.

OC: Darian Hagan. I heard him on the Dan Hawkins radio show, and he said that he could run a lot of McCartney's offense out of the pistol. This intrigues me because I love the pistol offense (and I have for years, not just now. If I thought we could get Ault, I would choose him hands down), and I like the idea of moving to a more option based offense.* If we stick with Kiesau, which I would be OK with as long as the proper leadership is in place, then I move Hagan up to co-offensive coordinator/ running game, and make Kiesau the play caller and passing game coordinator).

DC: Brian Cabral. In my opinion, this should be done regardless of the HC. He deserves a shot. He's had nothing but success, and done everything that should be expected of a coach. I like him as an HC possibility, but my scenario has greater upside, I feel.

OL Coach: Not Denver Johnson. I don't know the right choice, but I know it isn't him. Victor Rogers?

WR Coach: I'm cool with Prince, although if we dumped Kiesau, he'd have to be more involved in implementing the passing game.

QB Coach: Honestly, my goal would be Mission Viejo High School coach Bob Johnson. I doubt he'd take it, but that would be my hail mary. He is one of the premier QB coaches in the country. Every SoCal QB wants to be tutored by him (hello, recruiting). He's produced numerous D1 QBs (including his kid- Rob Johnson, who should be a candidate if Bob isn't interested).

TE Coach: Not Kent Riddle. Our TE's used to be a huge strength. Now it's not. Let's say Logan, just for the hell of it.

DL Coach: Romeo Bandison has done a great job, as far as I'm concerned.

LB Coach: Whoever Cabral wants. Maybe Greg Biekert is bored. I trust Cabral to know what's what

Secondary Coach: I'm OK with Ambrose so far, although I find it troubling that our safeties can't tackle.

ST Coordinator: I haven't the foggiest. No matter what, I hope that we use either a grad assistant spot or a coaching intern spot or something on a kicking and punting coach. ST guys are more concerned about formations and blocking and tackling schemes. I think we could be forward thinking in hiring an actual kicking coach, and let, say, the DB coach learn protection schemes. We have high altitude and a legacy of good kickers, but now good kickers get instruction outside campus. Let's hire a kicker and figure out the coverage 2nd (hell, it's not like the conventional way has suited us lately).

*I feel like we need an option based offense because there's a lot more talent to cull from, from Colorado, that runs that style offense. For every Mullen, there are 10 Douglas County/ Columbine/ Wheat Ridge/ Greeley West style offenses. Most of CO runs the ball, and we need to embrace that at some level. Nebraska fell off because they built a culture based on the option, and then the wholes state couldn't adapt to the pro style. Now they've regained their identity, and they're successful. A school should represent it's communities. For CU, that means the plains as well as the city.

So that says I. What say you?

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+1

We need to re-learn to run the dam ball. I like Eric B, not sure if he commands respect though, I don’t know him that well. Does he have the “it” factor like Mike Tomlin?

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by CUPRIDE on Nov 10, 2010 8:42 PM MST reply actions

I think he commands respect

The question is, can he transfer that respect from “enthusiasm” EB to “executive” EB.

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 10, 2010 8:46 PM MST up reply actions

Sentimental choices are hard to overcome

I hate the fact that Cabral wants the job and Mac wants the job. It sucks because one of them will be dissapointed and from a loyatly standpoint, both deserve the job. What sucks even more is that I just can’t give a nod to either coach….

I’d love to have the fairy tale come true and somehow have both with EB in the mix to somehow revive the magic that is CU Buff Football.

I have many reasons, but won’t reapeat what I’ve written before on the subject.

Unfortunately, I beleive in order to win and turn the program around we need some new, young(ish), hungry, D1 coach that can come in and breathe some fire and create some swagger here. Might not be the sentimental choice, but its what is needed IMHO

by BuffnBigD on Nov 10, 2010 9:06 PM MST reply actions

so who? I understand all of what you're saying

but who? We did that. His name was Dan Hawkins. I’m not sentimental, I’m realistic (or so I believe). I don’t think EB is fairy tale. I think McCartney would be a fairy tale. Not talking about a magic fairy from years past, Im talking about a legitimate coach who has proven himself on many levels. EB fits the bill

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 10, 2010 9:12 PM MST up reply actions

Thats my problem Phil, I don't have a "perfect canidate"

I seem to have reservations about every canidate. No, EB is not a sentimental choice, he has some real potential, I’d just like CU to be his second HC job. I worry how he would handle the political side of being a HC. I am actaully all for him as an OC.

Since Mac was the coach during all 4 of my years (culminating in a NC my Sr year), I don’t think I could stand to see him not repeat that expectation. I think there is a legitimate debate over whether he could pull it off. I’m on the side that he couldn’t so the only way I could justify having him as MY chcice would be a sentimental one.

I respect those that feel he still has it to pull it off. I hope I’m wrong.

by BuffnBigD on Nov 10, 2010 9:21 PM MST up reply actions

How about Bellotti?

We are going to the PAC 10, he knows the PAC 10?

You know what? I can already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'

by waterboy31321 on Nov 11, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions

Ha (along with Miles) have always been my best case scenarios, but...

I think there is a clear financial hurdle that would be hard to overcome with those two guys.

by BuffnBigD on Nov 11, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions

perfect. We'll be saved by Big Head Todd and the Monsters and a bunch of Astronauts.

here comes the national championship!

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions

Lynn Chenny is on that list, her husband has some bucks

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by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2010 12:06 PM MST up reply actions

I'm pretty sure ole Dick is a Nebraska fan

I think I heard that (he was born in Lincoln), so that probably isn’t gonna happen. Regardless, I would rather CU be poor forever than take his dirty blood money.
Disclaimer: that just my personal opinion.

by nebraskasux on Nov 12, 2010 6:58 PM MST up reply actions

+1

by highlandsbuff on Nov 13, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions

Just a joke

I doubt the Chenny’s would ever donate to a school like CU.

by Broncoman on Nov 14, 2010 10:14 AM MST up reply actions

I knew you were

I just couldn’t pass up an opportunity to make a snide remark ;-)

by nebraskasux on Nov 14, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions

Dick Fuld

Probably needs some positive PR right now. Not sure if he is a football fan though.

by NYCskibum on Nov 11, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions

Ha!

I remember thinking to myself during the last days of Lehman Brothers that there goes CU’s hope for a Boone Pickins.

by CleBUFFS on Nov 11, 2010 5:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Why can't we hear from the journalism guys on this list?

I’d love to hear what Reilly, Fowler, and Gray have to say. If they say anything at all, it gets us a little ink.

Also, how about the former players… where the hell has Stewart disappeared to? A comment from him might make him relevant again.

I imagine most of the business guys have some coin lying around, but nothing like the jackpot OSU got from T. Boone.

It’s a great time to get a marketing team together to get dollars into CU. Get the students back on the phone calling alumni – hell, mention the Hawk being gone to the alumni – I’d bite on that and give a few benjamins… I’m doing it anyway. Maybe a few billboards with something creative to encourage people to give whatever they can. I think most CU sports fans have had reservations about giving money the past few years… not anymore, we need to take advantage of it.

by The Notorious R.O.B. on Nov 11, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions

Steve Wozniak?!

Might have a few dollars lying around…

by BuffnBigD on Nov 11, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions

I thought Tom Shane was a graduate of CU...

by Buffs2007 on Nov 11, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions

head coach?

How many programs has he been the head coach of? How many coordinator positions has he held??

by rebuff on Nov 23, 2010 10:34 PM MST up reply actions

I likey

EB is definitely my first choice for HC. Hands down. Good suggestions for the rest of the staff, especially Cabral as DC. He deserves that. I just don’t see him getting the HC nod for exactly the reasons you outlined.

Assuming Bohn doesn’t leave for KU, I’d love to have Coach Mac brought on as some kind of liaison to advocate for athletics, boost fundraising, etc. I have no idea if he’d be interested in something like this if he was passed over for the HC job, but he’s sure as hell committed to CU and just might be willing to lend a hand in that capacity. Worth asking him, IMO.

Well thought out, Phil. Rec’d.

by highlandsbuff on Nov 10, 2010 9:10 PM MST reply actions

Mac as AD

EB as HC. Done Solved.

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by CUPRIDE on Nov 11, 2010 7:32 AM MST up reply actions

Does anyone know

Who besides Kiesau has a multi year contract? I know we are allowed 6 and we currently have 2 assigned. This woud influence whether CU could elevate Cabral to Defensive coordinator.

Shoulder to Shoulder

by Buff'em Up on Nov 11, 2010 8:50 AM MST up reply actions

I would assume the AD, men's and women's Bball coaches, and volleyball coach

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 8:59 AM MST up reply actions

I don’t think the AD falls under that umbrella as they are the one administering those contracts..

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 11, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions

you're wrong

I can’t find current data, and I really should do some work, but here’s an article from 2008:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/sports/2008/10/08/assisting-the-assistants/
Here’s the relevant part:
It’s no wonder that Hawkins mentioned Tuesday during his weekly media luncheon that he hopes CU’s movers and shakers can persuade state legislators to change the law that limits the number of multi-year contracts in the University of Colorado system to six.

Of the six, four are in the CU athletic department: Hawkins, athletic director Mike Bohn, men’s basketball coach Jeff Bzdelik and women’s basketball coach Kathy McConnell-Miller.

"Laws are made by people and can be changed by people," Hawkins said of the state-mandated limitation on multi-year pacts.

Hawkins and Bohn both pointed to the stability of the Missouri coaching staff as being a major factor in that program’s rise to national prominence.

"I think we need to continue to work toward salary increases (for assistant coaches), we need to work toward multi-year contracts. Those things are kind of the norm in college football," Hawkins said.

(6, total. For all of CU-Boulder, CU- Denver, CU- Health Sciences, and et cetera)

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions

Ah State regulation

Wasn’t aware of that… my bad

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 11, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions

Bohn was on with Vic and Gary the other morning and said that all 6 will be given to the Athletic Department

and he thinks 3 will be given to the football team.

by purplesocks on Nov 11, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions

It's TABOR

Okay guys, it is time we start rallying together and form some sort of coalition to take down TABOR. Not only will we get more contracts, higher education (CU) gets more money! Who is with me, maybe we can be called the Stampeding TABOR platform!

by Buffs2007 on Nov 11, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions

Yep

TABOR has hosed CU in many ways.

by AllBroncsallday on Nov 11, 2010 4:27 PM MST up reply actions

excellent analysis

but I gotta say I’m not so sure about keeping so many people from the current staff. Particularly Hagan and Kiesau. I personally wouldn’t keep Kiesau in any capacity (his buyout would be peanuts compared to Hawkins) and I know Hagan is well… Hagan, but do you really think he’s earned the right to keep his job, let alone become OC? I don’t think he’s done that great of a job here…

Cabral can stay (and I hope he gets serious consideration at the head job), you could probably talk me into keeping Ambrose and Bandison, but Prince worries me a little too. I guess I really don’t have a full understanding of who is actually responsible for what but as “passing game coordinator” I think Prince (if it truly is his fault) really misused Hansen. I think the offense could of been so much better under him if it was actually tailored to his strengths.

by nebraskasux on Nov 10, 2010 9:24 PM MST reply actions

A lot of that was just a lack of other candidates on my mind

I really like my QB coach choices, but I don’t have anything innovative otherwise. Kiesau seems to believe that he’s sticking around, based on his contract and what he’s discussed with Bohn. I wouldn’t keep him in a perfect world, but I understand economics.

I actually do like Hagan. I’ve heard him talk about running Mac’s plays out of the pistol, as I mentioned. I think we need a bold leader, but I’ve heard Hagan push for a new, bold direction. I want to see that (like I said- it connected with me because that’s the offense I favor. Don’t discount that. If you favor another offense, run that shit up the flag pole).

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 10, 2010 9:34 PM MST up reply actions

Kiesau might flurish without Hawk around

look at how Helfrich was able to succeed after he got away from Dan.

Shoulder to Shoulder

by Buff'em Up on Nov 11, 2010 8:51 AM MST up reply actions

Nope

Kiesau sucks. I’d rather have Trev Alberts as OC than him.

by CUBuff4life on Nov 12, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions

Gone are the days where one man makes a difference...

Just my humble opinion, but I think you should take your Pac-12 money and grab Hoke and his whole dam* coaching staff. HC, OC, DC, Special Teams and Strength Coach.

Florida worked that first year because they stole Urban Meyer & Dan Mullen and a bunch of Lesser Coaches that they promoted up. With the complexity of offensive, defensive and special teams schemes, you need a staff that works well under a familiar coach to make your program work.

That’s why successors to successful programs are able to maintain them, like Whittingham and Patterson. Otherwise you waste a year or two while your Head Coach searches for Assistant Coaches that fit his program. And only then, after you have the defining border pieces of the jigsaw puzzle in place, can you fill in the center pieces with your recruits that fit the program.

That’s part of Brian Kelly’s struggles at Notre Dame. You can tell by the injuries he needs to replace his Strength Coach. (SDSU has one of the best Strength Coaches in the Nation) They know they need new DC. And they are losing recruits because they don’t have their coaching package together.

I wouldn’t touch Greg Davis and his Texas entitlement with a 10 foot pole. And deserving or not your Coordinators don’t have a healthy system already in place that Whitt or Patterson did stepping up into their programs.

So spend the money grab as whole a package as possible for 5 year contracts and let them start recruiting for their package year one. San Diego State would be TCU scary with Pac 12 media, money and the possibility to play for the Mythical National Championship each year. Grab the Hoke package. ;-)

Eros, Ares, Apollo, Zeus, DIONYSUS, Priapus

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 10, 2010 10:21 PM MST reply actions

grab as whole a package as possible for 5 year contracts

Not possible. We only get 6 multi year contracts for the whole university

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 8:05 AM MST up reply actions

Possible..

…to lock up the key slots.

Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Defensive Coordinator, Special Teams Coach, Strength Coach. That’s 5… Realistically you will be able to hire 3. Fill the 2 Assistant Coaches that you don’t get with some one who worked under them with a single year contract. e.g. WR coach if you can’t OC, LB coach if you can’t get DC etc.

That’s what Florida did. Football is a big enough program to demand half (3) of the multi-year contracts.

Eros, Ares, Apollo, Zeus, DIONYSUS, Priapus

*Bring on the Nublies* -- _The Stranglers_
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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 11, 2010 8:38 AM MST up reply actions

Not a bad option

Though I have no clue about Hoke before 3 days ago. I like that he probably has every HS coaches ear in SDC and OC. I wonder what the HS coaches think of him and how willing they’d be to send their kids to him in Colorado.

by BuffulanceMan on Nov 11, 2010 9:49 AM MST up reply actions

only one current HC in the bunch...

I’m glad to a couple of others have mentioned Hoke. He’s the real deal and will be in the PAC12 soon. He’s #3 on my board; Bellotti, Patterson, Hoke, Sumlin and Calhoun. All HC’s. All (outside of Bellotti) have done masterful work with less than ideal conditions (I will still argue Bellotti was instrumental in building Oregon more so than Brooks).

If CU hires an assistant coach from another school, it’s going to take a number of seasons to be successful. Top programs either hire a current Head Coach or promote a young assistant from within. Yes, I do think CU is a top program. Only four programs in the current BCS 25 hired an assistant from outside of the program. That’s a not very convincing 16%. Nearly half hired a Head Coach from another program (48%) and the others promoted from within. A luxury that CU currently doesn’t have. It needs to be a current Head Coach! If Bohn can’t convince Bellotti, and Patterson takes a pass, Hoke would be ideal.

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 10, 2010 10:27 PM MST reply actions

tend to agree on it needing to be someone with head coaching experience

by NYCskibum on Nov 11, 2010 6:09 AM MST up reply actions

I don't agree

It would be nice to have HC experience, but if you are good at Due Diligence and talent selection, you can find your man, HC experience or not. I bet if we broke out the statistics one could prove there is no better chance of success having HC experience than not having it. I could rattle off of tons of examples either way.

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by CUPRIDE on Nov 11, 2010 8:02 AM MST up reply actions

"tons of examples" ?

Being a Head Coach is very different than being an assistant. Never have I said that an assistant couldn’t come in and make Colorado relevant again. It will take time and is more unpredictable than a HC that has experience and proven successful. Patterson, Hoke, Sumlin and Calhoun have all done so to this point. Only one of the last 10 national champion head coaches were hired as assistants from another program. One was promoted from within and the other 9 were HC’s hired from another team.

To StS below: Hawkins was handed a program that was 26-10 in the three years prior to being named head coach. He didn’t exactly building something from nothing.

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 11, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions

Yeah like Hawkins

I kid.

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by Buff'em Up on Nov 11, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions

I don't disagree

as I said, I just don’t think we can afford some of them. Really, the ONLY reason I wouldn’t go hard after Brady Hoke is that his profile matches up too closely to Hawkins. That’s not really his fault. I just wonder if the fan base would accept that. He does have experience in a big time program, and experience building a program (both of which Hawk lacked).

And, truth be told, I was surprised last time. I thought the best we could’ve done was Jon Embree (and I do not like Jon Embree). Bohn’s ability to get Hawkins was higher than I expected. Hopefully he’ll surprise me again.

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 8:10 AM MST up reply actions

Cost and instant SoCal access...

…are what push Hoke +2+2 above the rest. MWC coaches are a different breed than WAC. MWC has consistently (not constantly mind you) been rated 5th best in the past decade behind Pac-10, SEC, Big XII and Big 10 ahead of ACC and Big Least.

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 11, 2010 8:47 AM MST up reply actions

How much is Bellotti?

The collective mind set is that we can’t afford Coach Bellotti, but I think we can. Here’s why; Bellotti’s HC contract was a base of $600,000 plus incentives (my favorite was the attendance incentive). He made over a million a year while coach of the Ducks. When Oregon kicked him to the curb as AD, they gave him a nice 2.3 million parachute. OK. So what? He might be willing to take a bit less than top 5 PAC12 salary if he has some retirement money in the bank. How much does he make now as an analyst with ESPN? I don’t know, but I bet it’s less than $500K. If CU stays with the $1.1 Hawkins was making, that puts CU tied with ASU and OSU for sixth in the league. Bohn indicated the other day that CU needs to be under the $2 million mark. It really depends on when and where he wants to get back into coaching. If that’s now and the PAC12, we have a legitimate shot.

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 11, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions

I'm guessing....

He had some nice endorsement contracts from Nike that artificially allowed the University to make his contract lower than it normally would have been. That widens the gap between what he was getting paid and what we’d be able to pay him.

by Buff-in-CA on Nov 12, 2010 6:19 AM MST up reply actions

actually, pretty much all coaching contracts work that way

Hawkins had a similar detail- low “base pay” with additional compensation from the Nike deal and for his radio and TV shows. I’m not sure what the terms of our contract is with Nike, but Bohn could certainly look to grab some extra cash from Nike, using the potential Pac 12 Network and a better overall television package as an incentive for more exposure.

Off topic- is that the same kid who used to be the tiny baby in your avatar?

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 12, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions

Nike $'s and uniform tangent.

You may be right about the Nike $‘s. I recall Nike kicking some cash CU’s way awhile back.

Didn’t they want to change CU’s uniforms in a drastic way (a la Oregon), but were reeled back in to give us what we have now? Say what you will about Oregon’s uniforms, The diamond plate was awful., but this latest version is pretty cool. High school recruits love ‘em. I say; If Nike want’s to tweak the uni and add some buffalo horns to the shoulders, let them do it. Believe it or not those Duck uni’s help recruit. Right now we could use any advantage we could get. If it meant more Nike $‘s into the program, I’m all for it.

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions

Not going to happen

Phil Knight is an Oregon alum, no way he would support giving CU anything more than some used sneakers, especially with CU coming into the PAC-12. Maybe we could strike a deal with Under Armor or Adias, but doubtful Nike would donate much against a new rival in the PAC-12.

by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions

that's not true

We used to be Nike’s 2nd experiment team, after Oregon, back before we sucked. And Nike didn’t “kick us some money.” We have a sponsorship contract with them, just like USC, and Washington, and Florida, and Boise, and every other school with a Nike contract. It’s not a donation. And moving to a (potentially) more favorable television and media spotlight increases our value. And our apparel contract should reflect that increased value.Yes, Oregon has a special relationship with Nike, but beyond that, all Nike cares about is getting that swoosh on TV.

Personally, I care very little about the uniforms. I like some of Oregon’s. I dislike some of Oregon’s. They can put us in those Pro Combat space football uniforms for all I care, as long as they pony up the cash and get us some extra media attention.

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 12, 2010 6:17 PM MST up reply actions

Well we were Nike's 2nd experiment team when we played in the Big 12

I am sure Phil Knight would have little interest in helping us now that we are playing in Oregon’s conference, and there is a big difference in what they kick out- having lived in Oregon for 3 years, look at the amount of money donated to Oregon versus Oregon State, Nike had a box seat section at Oregon State, but that’s it. Where Nike basically is giving 100 million to Oregon. I doubt wether Nike cares if CU has it’s swoosh or not at this point, when CU was a top 20 team, then of course they will have an interest, but it’s not like they are spending big dollars to outfit Washington State or UNM.

by Broncoman on Nov 14, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions

I thought about that

I heard he would go back to coaching only if it was the right fit, and CU isn’t the right fit because of $ and facilities. But if he’s a coach that wants to prove he still has it and wasn’t a fluke at OU, he might take it. Especially if they give him a multi-year deal like Hawk had, and he could upgrade the facilities the way he wants. He might take it, and like being back in the Pac10 (12). Who knows. Kinda fun trying to figure it out though.

by ptpete on Nov 12, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions

I don't think any coach...

could pull off a 14 year “fluke”. There is no way Coach Bellotti is a fluke. Oregon and Brooks don’t even get off the ground until Bellotti arrives as OC. You just don’t happen to keep that going for 14 years. Larry Coker was a fluke. There are some issues as to why he could never get over the NC hump. Of course, we wouldn’t even be talking about him if he had won a NC at Oregon. I would take his last 14 years at Oregon vs. CU’s last 14 in a heart beat (NC or not).

Some will argue Nike this and Nike that, but Nike didn’t come on board with Oregon until ‘03. Bellotti had a pretty nice record and two conference titles by then. Oregon’s facilities certainly changed when that happened, but before then their facilities may have been worse than CU’s.

I hope Bohn has already had a conversation and made an offer. It all depends on how quickly he wants to get back, how much of a challenge he wants and if CU can get close enough to his salary requirement. He may very well end up at ASU (I hope Erickson can win out, but I don’t see it happening).

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions

Bellotti is way over-rated

He did not retire, he was forced out by Phil Knight, is it any wonder that since Kelly has taken over they have started to be a national power, Bellotti had more money and facilities to attrack the best players in the country and still his teams always under achieved, the guy routinely was outcoached by his rival over at OSU in Mike Reilly, who had hafe the athletes and players as OU, but usally took them to the woodshed every year.

by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2010 5:24 PM MST up reply actions

464-383

Civil War total points scored in the 14 years of Bellotti. Bellotti’s record against their arch rival OSU 8-6. Some woodshed. Two loses are in OT, one in double OT. That’s a .571 clip for those scoring at home. He’s an even .500 against Reilly (including both OT loses (324-264)). How would you like a 8-6 record against NU? How about Utah? Woodshed?

I seem to recall a ‘01 Ducks team under Bellotti that should have played for the National Championship. Nebraska didn’t deserve to be in that game after being stampeded by Chris Brown.

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 10:09 PM MST up reply actions

Look at Belotti number since Riley was there the last five years

2-3 against OSU and they had much better teams each of those years, and he had one good season that they got jobbed in 2001, but the fact is his teams were always under achieving teams. The reason Bellotti is not coaching at Oregon is because he ran a half ass program to begin with (there were a ton of off the field issues) and Phil Knight and the rest of the AD department were afraid of losing Kelly from the program, so they kindly told Bellotti to move his ass out of the way or he was going to be fired. Trust me, no one at Oregon misses Belotti.

by Broncoman on Nov 14, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Stop reading here if you don’t want to be upset any further.

The job is Bellotti’s to accept or decline.

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 16, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions

Good analysis

Couple names not on there-
Jon Embree
Greg Brown

Maybe darkhoarse canidates and not the sexy picks, but both have CU ties and both can recruit on the west coast

by Broncoman on Nov 11, 2010 8:13 AM MST reply actions

agreed on both

I’m just not personally interested enough to tack them on to what turned out to be an insanely long post.

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 8:15 AM MST up reply actions

Also what about Leach?

by Broncoman on Nov 11, 2010 8:15 AM MST reply actions

Mike Leach is funny on tv

But he couldn’t even beat CU when we were 0-7 with Bernard Jackson playing quarterback and Dan Hawkins on the sidelines. Gimmick offenses are for places like TT, where the cattle are better looking than the cheerleaders. We need a coach that is committed to playing great defense, running the football, and physically dominating the other teams in the Pac 12.

by CUBuff4life on Nov 12, 2010 10:08 AM MST up reply actions

This is great Phil.

Im going to front page it (need to adjust the headline a tad)

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by Jon Woods on Nov 11, 2010 8:19 AM MST reply actions

you're just saying that so you can change my Greg Brown and Adrian Peterson digs

admit it!

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 8:21 AM MST up reply actions

Not exactly

But I did just see that you put Greg Davis on there. You’re doing that out of spite aren’t you. Sigh

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by Jon Woods on Nov 11, 2010 8:26 AM MST up reply actions

I think the financial issues may be the final reason Mac ends up coach

There are very few people out there who will take (comparatively) so little money to be a head coach with a “reconstruction” job on his hands.

While I agree that due diligence is needed, and Mac wouldn’t be my first choice, the financial constraints at the university may dictate where this hire comes from. Think about it…why would any assistant from the SEC come here to be a head coach when they most likely make just as much money as an assistant as they would here (sometimes more)?

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by Jeffrey Morton on Nov 11, 2010 9:56 AM MST reply actions

Your state laws are...

…cutting off your nose to spite your face.

When your football program is able to subsidize all your other athletics, law makers should keep their hands off.

I think here at the University of Utah only about 2% of our total budget is from the state. With the Pac-12 deal effectively increasing our athletic income 10 fold, our University President has enough pull to get the legislators to step off.

You guys really need to get your lawmakers out of the decision making process if you are bringing in the Lion’s share of the funding. No one you hire is going to be able to keep his staff in place once you experience a modicum of success without multi-year contracts.

You should be able to get Hoke with the same budget as the U. But you need to get your alumni to put pressure on the legislature to get them the hell out of University budget decisions.

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 11, 2010 10:11 AM MST up reply actions

do you really think you're saying anything we don't know?

First- it was voters who passed TABOR, not the legislature, and it’s been voters who have repealed parts of the law over the last 20 years. If you think you can get the legislature to move on something in direct opposition to the voter passed law on the books, in this economic and political climate, to support a program that has never in their history sold out an entire season, then by all means let us know how to do that. I assume that there’s quite a bit of political clout behind Utah and BYU. that’s why Orrin Hatch loves bitching about the BCS. We don’t have that.

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions

Whoa!

Didn’t mean to step on any toes… sorry, if I haven’t heard all the same old arguments… It’s been near 45 years since we had our last rivalry

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 11, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions

ha. No hard feelings or anything

It’s just that this has been a huge sticking point, for as long as I’ve been an adult. And the “answer” always seems to be that crappy SNL skit with the fat guy from Goodburger- FIX IT!!! Sure, fix it, but how? I’ve done lots of research on possible solutions. Everything from privatizing the athletic department to establishing a dedicated endowment for asst. salaries to creative structuring of contracts (something like a 1 year contract with a CU option, and a buyout of the option if it’s declined). I haven’t found an answer, and that’s been frustrating. Like I said, I’m all ears. So right now, we just need a coach who comes in with eyes open and understands the limitations BEFORE taking the job.

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions

Is this possible?

Set up a Colorado Buffs Football Coaching Association and umbrella all the 1st and 2nd tier coaching salaries under one multi-year contract with the assistant coaches paid as independent contractors managed by the AD & Head Coach with a percentage set aside for the Head Coach and a percentage for the Second Tier.

Put in provisions to cap the salary paid by tax payers and put in a performance based bonus tied in to stadium ticket sales, sports paraphenilia etc. With the Lion’s share being paid by the Pac-12 media contract.

The first year the coach would have a low salary until the media contract is in play but I think as you said you could start at $1 mm and then work up once the TV deal kicks in.

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 11, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions

I'm not 100% sure

As far as the funding goes, as far as I know it doesn’t matter. Regardless of where the money comes from (be it tax payers or a media contract), it all falls into the same pot as far as the law is concerned. When researching a seperate, dedicated asst. coach endowment, I was told that it didn’t matter. If it didn’t fall under the same pool of money as everything else, it would be an illegal slush fund. There were also questions as to whether it would be tax deductable.

I’m intrigued by the idea of a single umbrella contract for all the assistants, but I’m not familiar enough with contract law to speculate. I wonder if it would work if they formed a union or something. Looks like I’ve got some homework

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions

Some research on Hoke

I always wondered why he left his alma mater for what’s basically a lateral move. Well, he was only making $240 grand at Ball State, and from what I’m reading, he might not have even had an office. He asked for a raise to around $400k, and was offered $350k He’s only making about $700k at SDSU. We could double that and easily be within our comfortable salary structure

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 10:27 AM MST reply actions

Only making $240K....

I wish I could have as crappy of an opportunity as that (and I’d give up my office too).

by BuffnBigD on Nov 11, 2010 11:37 AM MST up reply actions

In other words, "I'm in the wrong line of work..."

by BuffnBigD on Nov 11, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions

Read somewhere that Bohn did an interview on SD radio this morning

Said Hoke wasn’t being considered

by NYCskibum on Nov 11, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions

If True..

Bohn is missing something in the head if he’ll consider Calhoun (no SoCal ties) and not Hoke…

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 12, 2010 8:09 PM MST up reply actions

Agree

If Bellotti passes, Hoke should be the choice. Unless it’s true;

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 10:15 PM MST up reply actions

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/10/sdsus-hoke-not-looking-bail-after-two-years/

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 10:15 PM MST up reply actions

first thoughts

on seeing that is that he’s looking to bail after two years.

by BuffulanceMan on Nov 15, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions

+1

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 16, 2010 5:39 AM MST up reply actions

Good luck with the mustach Phil

by clbuff28 on Nov 11, 2010 1:16 PM MST reply actions

It was either that or the Lava Lava.....

by BuffnBigD on Nov 11, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions

Top experts agree

It is a truly terrible mustache. Magnum PI would have a sad

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 4:06 PM MST up reply actions

Coach Hoke...

is simply climbing the HC ladder. I’m certain that $‘s and location had something to do with it, but he was not going to stay at Ball State alma matter or not. Just as he’s not going to be at SDSU long.

You mentioned above; “the ONLY reason I wouldn’t go hard after Brady Hoke is that his profile matches up too closely to Hawkins”. Actually, I think he compares more to Urban Meyer. They both assisted at big programs (Michigan and ND), turned around MAC teams (Ball State and Bowling Green), turned around MWC teams (Utah and SDSU (in process)), and both are from Ohio. These Ohio guys can flat out coach. If we can’t get Bellotti, Bohn should steal Hoke away.

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 11, 2010 1:42 PM MST reply actions

you're right of course

But casual fans might just see “hot up and coming non BCS coach” and think “here we go again.”

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions

Actually, I think he compares more to Urban Meyer. They both assisted at big programs (Michigan and ND), turned around MAC teams (Ball State and Bowling Green), turned around MWC teams (Utah and SDSU (in process)), and both are from Ohio. These Ohio guys can flat out coach. If we can’t get Bellotti, Bohn should steal Hoke away.

THIS….

Don’t worry about casual fans… they’re fickle.. winning will make them converts… not like you could do much worse than Hawk in that category..

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by Ravenous Ute on Nov 11, 2010 11:31 PM MST up reply actions

based on resume he seems like the wisest choice

by skithebert on Nov 11, 2010 11:38 PM MST up reply actions

Those Ohio guys can flat out coach

Can you tell that to McDaniels, he seems to have missed that memo

by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions

You don't want to disrespect Barberton or McKinley High.

He needs a little bit more time before he’s kicked to the curb don’t you think? I mean one full season and you’re ready to move on. Really? Firing him now would be like the Raiders firing MIke Shanahan or Jon Gruden (Ohio guy). How well has that worked out for the Raiders?

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions

My 2 cents

Hagan has in no way earned the promotion to OC. I still question his coaching ability as a RB coach. He is still learning. I’m not saying he can’t be good one day but he is no where near ready now.

Forget HC for the moment. I personally think given our budget issues we are far better off if CU spends as much of the coaching budget on the staff as possible instead of trying to get the best HC we can afford. That was the biggest issue with Hawkins and is still a huge issue since we can’t offer multi-year contracts to the staff. A good staff will do the heavy lifting and make the program look good or bad.

Greg Brown would be a good candidate for DC. Keeping Ambrose on board as well as the DB coach. Maybe have Cabral as the Assistant DC in addition to his LB coaching responsibilities? He was the Associate HC before but beyond title I have no idea what that did for him…

Romeo Bandison should also be retained if possible but that may be hard to do with Hawk gone.

On offense I really think it would be a coup to bring in Steve Kragthorpe. He hasn’t succeeded so well as an HC but he is still a good offensive talent. I think keeping Prince is a very long shot but if at all possible that would be good both for recruiting as well as the passion he brings to the table.

Upgrades are of course always welcome. But start with the staff first and worry about who wears the HC hat later. If Bienemy is either the HC or OC then I would think he would be a big draw for RBs too.

Whomever runs the offense and defense they need to learn the lesson from Oregon and condition the crap out of the players. Oregon runs past other teams late in the game because they can play much faster then due to their conditioning. CU has the altitude advantage over everyone except Utah and should finally use that advantage intelligently.

by BuffTime on Nov 11, 2010 1:54 PM MST reply actions

I'm starting to question Hagan as well, based on the comments I've read

Kragthorpe would be an inspired choice, assuming his family medical situation has been settled, although I’d like to see a more run heavy offense personally. I’d also be interested in James Spady from Nevada as an OL/ TE coach. I might have to update my preferred staff.

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 7:40 PM MST up reply actions

I read through most of the posts

and didn’t find this but in this article Eric’s name is spelled wrong. Its Eric Bieniemy not Bienemy. Obviously not a big deal but thought i would point it out.

by Bloynoys on Nov 11, 2010 3:04 PM MST reply actions

look, in these tough times, we all have to tighten our belts and get more efficient

friends don’t let friends use extraneous vowels

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 4:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

Anyone hear the latest on Paul Richardson

Sounds like he might be looking to head elsewere. A new coach will be charged off the bat with keeping keey players like Richardson, a freshman, on board.

Shoulder to Shoulder

by Buff'em Up on Nov 11, 2010 5:12 PM MST reply actions

I saw that teaser headline on Rivals.com

Don’t know if there is any substance behind the headline specific to him (you could say the new HC has a job to keep all players from transfering).

I sincerely hope not because he is one of the true bright psots ont he roster and could have a fantastic career here.

Anybody have any info on his specific thoughts?

by BuffnBigD on Nov 11, 2010 6:08 PM MST up reply actions

not specifically, but it's a big concern of mine

One of the big reasons he came was because of Evans, who promptly left. I’ve been pestering him on the twitter machine about staying, but he’s conspicuously avoided it. Here’s one thing in our favor (caveat- I don’t like to play this card, but here it is): the Pac 10 has a rule that says, if you transfer within the conference, you have to sit out 2 years, not one. So, presumably he’d want to go closer to home. To do that, he’d have to either drop down to a lower level school, or go to a JC for a year.

I really really hope he stays. I’ve been following him since his junior year of high school. I’m a grown man too old for such things, but I would absolutely sport a 80 jersey (or 6, since he wants to change it)

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 7:14 PM MST up reply actions

The in conference transfer rule

is the best chance to keep him here. He’s already told Buffstampede he’s homesick, wants to go home and he doesn’t like the change in the weather. While a great player, not sure he’d be confused with the sharpest tool in the shed. He says he hasn’t made up his mind but it sounds like he has. Time will tell.

by mam2jd on Nov 12, 2010 12:24 AM MST up reply actions

OMG....

Why is it always the players with the most potential that “want to be closer to home”. I realize that is another way of saying “I feel I could do better than here”, but really!

Plenty of playing time with great visibility and a bright future here at CU. New fresh coaching staff (this is a POSITIVE!) and going into Pac 12 play, talk about things lining up for you.

Freshman always get homesick the first semester, then you start to realize its all about what you make out of the situation (its a good “life lesson” because you will find yourself out of your element many times in life, so better figure out to to handle it)

Yip, Boulder can get cold- just buy a jacket.

by BuffnBigD on Nov 12, 2010 8:10 AM MST up reply actions

it makes sense in this case

This isn’t a matter of him picking CU and then getting homesick like Blackmon, Wallace, et al. Richardson wanted to be at Ucla. He just got booted before school started. He picked CU basically out of mutual desperation- he needed a team and had at least a level of familiarity with some coaches and Clark Evans, and we needed wide receivers.

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 12, 2010 8:19 AM MST up reply actions

We haven't won a conference game

We don’t have any key players. See ya.

by CUBuff4life on Nov 12, 2010 10:10 AM MST up reply actions

Grass is always greener

Thing is, like d.Scott, he may have an unrealistic view of his options. They are few. He’s @ CU because his choices were limited. A nice way to repay the school that gave him a chance. Ucla can’t take him back, USC didn’t want him before, UofA maybe. Man up and buy a parka!

by mam2jd on Nov 12, 2010 10:44 PM MST up reply actions

No $hit

I really think the next HC needs to call out players more. A good HC/leader knows when, and who, they can and should chew out, or even just say a poignant word or two, in front of the team.

I typically think that an @$$ chewing deserves to be done behind a closed door, but in the right circumstance a public one is required, and saying you don’t like it here becuase of the weather (if true) is an attitude that needs to be purged.

On the flip side, a permanent indoor facility should help here, too.

by BuffulanceMan on Nov 15, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions

just some thoughts...

Have to chime in here with my probably limited knowledge but always feel compelled to share my opinions …and apologize in advance for the stream of conscious that is about to occur.
Bellotti – being from Eugene, I have to give my two cents: First, I am not convinced that Chip Kelly was more responsible for that program then he was… in my opinion and many others from Oregon he had ALL of the resources from Uncle Phil (Knight) as we like to call him from Nike to get it done…he didn’t. It’s insane how much money is poured into that program – The offense this year is so off the chart that I have to believe Chip is the man! Yes, would be a good pick if his price wasn’t exorbinent (sp?) but again not completely sold on him.

I absolutely do not want anyone from SDSU – as you pointed out WE ALREADY WENT DOWN THAT ROAD! We cannot afford to risk it… plus didn’t the Bohner come from that program (and I still want him gone STAT…who couldn’t have gotten us into the Pac 12… as far as I am concerned his salary should be a signing bonus for any new coach…the amount of money he has cost the university with the contract extension, not firing Hawk sooner therefore we suck and no TV wants to pick us up therefore giving up any little bit of extra revenue, lost ticket sales, lost merchandise sales b/c we have sucked for so long and the decision to get rid of Hawk should have come long ago.. etc he really should forfeit his salary and resign yesterday). Anyway don’t want another lesser conference coach and that includes the Houston guy…as far as the best strength coaches – it’s not hard to do what Oregon does, the philosophy is rather simple…lineman push chevy’s around in the offseason…semi kidding obviously it’s more than that but their conditioning is really no secret.

Cabral – I don’t get why this guy can’t seemingly move up the football corp ladder…what did he do? Is he too passionate..He did cry although I was moved by him in the press conference, the players really seem to respect him. But there must be a reason?

EB – good as Coordinator not as HC YET…but I would love to see him re-invigorate the offense and dude we need him to RECRUIT!!! I WANT THE RUNNING GAME BACK CIRCA 1995!

And for the love of God- put the damn name of the players on the back of their jerseys – that was just stupid. First, I want to see who’s doing what so selfishly I want it back but more importantly… Where is the research that says this actually works and makes some kid more of a team player and frankly we could use an individual standout who has an ego to produce some offense!

go buffs!

by BUFFS81 on Nov 11, 2010 5:51 PM MST reply actions

the name thing is annoying, but not exactly unheard of

It certainly doesn’t seem to hurt USC or Penn State. I saw that some player complained to the Post that they want the names back. I say give it to them- 3 more games, fresh start. Here are your dumb jersey names. I don’t buy think it makes a difference either way. Hell, my kid had his name on his jerseys since he was 9, until he went to high school. Now, the people who want names on their jerseys the most are the parents, because they can’t tell the damn players apart.

As far as your coaching choices go- what would you find acceptable. Because if you don’t want a non BCS head coach, and an NFL assistant head coach doesn’t have enough experience yet, and we can’t pay market rate for a big name, I imagine you’re operating within a very slim margin. That Venn diagram doesn’t have a ton of overlap

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by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 7:29 PM MST up reply actions

Other options for coaching candidates

What ever happened to Gus Malzahn at Auburn or Jim McElwain? Are they not under consideration because they are not west coast guys? I heard their names mentioned early on, but no longer.

by MDBuff on Nov 11, 2010 6:28 PM MST reply actions

I mentioned Malzahn above

And Mandel said he was the best option as well. The big concern is the Newton situation. Until that gets resolved, you’ve got to be skeptical. And just speaking for myself- I don’t have any interest in the Alabama OC. I don’t pay much attention to the NFL because it’s boring. Alabama’s offense is similarly boring (again, just me). There are certainly a lot of names you could add to this list: everyone from Kirby Smart to Glen Mason to Dennis Franchione to Pat Hill. I’ve seen Shawn Watson, Greg Brown, Al Golden, and Dave Shaw (a very intriguing choice I’m going to research further). By all means- do a pros and cons here in the comments if you’ve got a good candidate.

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 7:36 PM MST up reply actions

UPDATE

So I added some names to my lists:
HC: David Shaw (OC, Stanford):
Pros: Full disclosure, I love Stanford’s offense. That said, Shaw has an extremely impressive resume. He’s coached outside linebackers, tight ends, wide receivers, and running backs. He’s been a quality control coach, a passing game coordinator, and an offensive coordinator. He’s coached in the NFL and at Stanford. So he understands academic mandates.
Cons: Well, no one really knows how much influence he has, since Harbaugh is such a powerful face of the program. Doesn’t have name recognition, unknown (to me) as a recruiter. Stanford doesn’t really count as west coast ties in my mind. They recruit nationally out of necessities.

OC: Chris Klenakis, (OL coach, Arkansas)
Pros: Before coaching OL at ARK, he was the offensive coordinator and OL coach at Nevada, which runs an offense I like, and shows experience in the SEC.
Cons: Probably makes a lot as a position coach. The Pistol is really Chris Ault’s brain child.
OL/TE: James Spady, (OL/TE coach, Nevada)
Pros: See above. OL coach for a highly effective non- BCS offensive line
Cons: shug. Seems like a solid choice to me.

In support of Brian Cabral for the rest of the year, I'm going mustache

by Phil Fraser on Nov 11, 2010 8:19 PM MST reply actions

Darian Hagan OC

He has enough trouble with RBs and you want to make him OC? Stopped reading right there.

by nateluo on Nov 11, 2010 8:21 PM MST reply actions

I live in Austin

and have watched Greg Davis call plays and it is despicable. Colt McCoy would have won the Heisman if the Texas offensive didn’t consist of repeatedly throwing 3 yard bubble screens. If watching bubble screens frustrates you, then stay the hell away from Greg Davis.

Also I think it would be a mistake hiring a 70 year old man as HC. Recruiting these days involves text messages, facebook, twitter, skype etc. Does he even know what any of that is? Let’s be real here.

by skithebert on Nov 11, 2010 8:42 PM MST reply actions

Just because the man hasn't been coaching doesn't mean he has been in a coma the past 15 years

I’m sure he is aware of all of those things. Besides the majority of the recruiting is done on the coordinator level. Head coach just needs to be the guy who can look mom and dad in the eye and say your son is going to be taken care of. I think Mac still has that side of things covered pretty well.

by NYCskibum on Nov 12, 2010 5:44 AM MST up reply actions

option McCoy?

How about that option call vs. Bama in the Championship game?

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions

another name...

I’ve heard elsewhere but didn’t see here is Dana Holgorson (SP?) A lot of people love what he’s doing at OK st.

by ptpete on Nov 12, 2010 11:44 AM MST reply actions

GRUDEN!

Someone who hasn’t received much publicity but could be a great option would be Jon Gruden. He’s been biding his time as an ESPN commentator and may be looking to get back into the college game.

by MDBuff on Nov 12, 2010 12:38 PM MST reply actions

Dallas Cowboys next coach.......

or possibly Cowher

by BuffnBigD on Nov 12, 2010 1:25 PM MST up reply actions

Former Oregon coach Bellotti has initial talks with Colorado

Couple of interesting points in today’s article on Bellotti in the Denver Post:

Bellotti said he has been contacted by other schools, some of which don’t have an opening yet. He said he doesn’t know enough about Colorado to decide if he’s interested.

and

In other Colorado coaching news, the school will not pursue former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach who was fired last season after he locked a player in an equipment shed as a punitive measure. “Too much baggage,” one Colorado source said.

by highlandsbuff on Nov 12, 2010 2:16 PM MST reply actions

these comments...

could be total BS. It’s all part of the negotiation process. Say as little as possible and don’t show your cards. If he wants back in the Pac 10/12, he wants this job.

by Rbento on Nov 12, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions

Bellotti is the most over-rated jack ass ever

I don’t want him anywhere near CU, if everyone was pissed at Barnett for how things were run, Bellotti makes Barnett look like a saint. Fact is Bellotti’s teams always under achieved and stunk in bowl games. He had all the resources and still was out coached and out classed by guys like Tedford, Reilly, and Carrol. He was arguably the fifth best coach in that conference when he was coaching.

by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2010 5:28 PM MST up reply actions

5th in the Pac 10

Is still better than 12th in the Big 12….. I recall he took CU to the woodshed in 2002 Fiesta Bowl…

by BuffnBigD on Nov 12, 2010 5:46 PM MST up reply actions

and we took him to the woodshed two times in Bowls in the late 90s

(just adding to the debate)

by nebraskasux on Nov 12, 2010 7:14 PM MST up reply actions

http://www.milehighreport.com/

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 10:17 PM MST up reply actions

I'm not going to say...

anything yet!

by Florida Buffalo on Nov 12, 2010 2:21 PM MST reply actions

Your avitar says it all

“He said he doesn’t know enough about Colorado to decide if he’s interested.” So your saying there is a chance huh Mike??!!!

by BuffnBigD on Nov 12, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions

More rumors.... from a sideline reporter on twitter

@Samantha_Steele Samantha Steele
Just met w/CU AD Mike Bohn.. Talked a lot about Troy Calhoun… He played QB when Bohn was at Air Force and said he’s a very viable option
2 hours ago

twitter.com/skitalicious
Quitter's People United Member #13

by runningdonut on Nov 12, 2010 6:17 PM MST reply actions

Hoke >> Calhoun

Bohn needs to consider the SoCal recruiting angle… if he is willing to consider Calhoun, Hoke is the better choice.

Eros, Ares, Apollo, Zeus, DIONYSUS, Priapus

*Bring on the Nublies* -- _The Stranglers_
Rice-Eccles - Site of the 1st Pac-12 CCG

by Ravenous Ute on Nov 12, 2010 8:11 PM MST up reply actions

One thing I do like

about Calhoun is the likely discipline he’s bring here.

And, what about Richt? I expect him to be fired. We could do worse.

by BuffulanceMan on Nov 15, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions

Not a big Richt guy

I like Calhoun over Richt, because of the discipline and I think he a a much better coach, with Richt getting half his team arrested, I don’t think that speaks well to the type of guy he recruits.

by Broncoman on Nov 15, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions

If Bohn doesn't like Hoke after today's game...

He needs his head examined….

SDSU could beat Utah next week

Eros, Ares, Apollo, Zeus, DIONYSUS, Priapus

*Bring on the Nublies* -- _The Stranglers_
Rice-Eccles - Site of the 1st Pac-12 CCG Go UTES!!!

by Ravenous Ute on Nov 13, 2010 5:28 PM MST reply actions

The way the Utes got handled by ND today

I would expect it.

by NYCskibum on Nov 13, 2010 5:36 PM MST up reply actions

Utah was absolutely flat..

First 8 weeks Dr Jekyll, last 2 weeks Mr Hyde…

Eros, Ares, Apollo, Zeus, DIONYSUS, Priapus

*Bring on the Nublies* -- _The Stranglers_
Rice-Eccles - Site of the 1st Pac-12 CCG Go UTES!!!

by Ravenous Ute on Nov 13, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions

Hoke looks locked up in SD

No thanks to Richt, Calhoun, Logan, Holgorsen.

I can’t say I’m in love with any possibility right now (although Miles and Belloti rimain on my wish list)

by BuffnBigD on Nov 15, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions

If he's offered 3x his current salary

of $750k + bonuses… I can’t see him passing. That’s $2.25 mm + bonuses.

Pac-12 schools except Utah should have $14mm each from just the media contract in 2012.. You should be able to afford him.

Eros, Ares, Apollo, Zeus, DIONYSUS, Priapus

"Bring on the Nublies": -- _The Stranglers_
Rice-Eccles - Site of the 1st Pac-12 CCG Go UTES!!!

by Ravenous Ute on Nov 16, 2010 5:35 AM MST up reply actions

DANA HOLGORSEN next coach

Dana Holgorsen, Ok St. O.C. gets my vote…….look what he has done at Ok St. and at Houston……During the Ok St- Texas game Dana got more TV time than Mike Gundy the head coach.

by houstonbuff on Nov 15, 2010 2:59 PM MST reply actions

One question

Is he Forty!?, Is he a man!?

I guess that is two questions.

by Broncoman on Nov 15, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions

Out of the box thinking

How about Ohio States Luke Fickell?!? He comes from one of the nations most prestigious programs. He’s been under Tressel for the last 9 years and has helped build that program to what it is now. He will be a HC sometime in his career, why not for CU?

by AZBuffNation on Nov 18, 2010 11:37 PM MST reply actions

Bellotti Takes his name out of the running for CU head coaching job

from Buffzone:

“Bellotti out

Former Oregon coach and athletic director Mike Bellotti informed CU officials over the weekend that he no longer is a candidate for the CU football coaching job.

Bellotti had met informally with CU officials twice in the past month but has decided he is not sure if he wants to return to coaching. Bellotti was considered one of the leading candidates to replace former coach Dan Hawkins."

Somebody talk Florida Buffalo off the ledge……..

by NYCskibum on Nov 21, 2010 9:53 AM MST reply actions

Not so long ago....

All Ducks fans said “huh?” when Bellotti brought in some guy from New Hampshire after yet another OC called hired away. None of us knew what to expect, especially because our offense was in such a fragile place and Dennis Dixon confidence was shattered after 2006. Two years later he becomes head coach.

I guess I’m saying keep an open mind if you have faith in those doing the hiring.

by Nevaduck on Nov 21, 2010 4:38 PM MST reply actions