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Four Years Later, This Isn't Right

The Toledo Rockets continued to send the Colorado Buffaloes football program into a tailspin, beating the team from Boulder 54 - 38 in a game that wasn't even that close. Toledo quarterback Aaron Opelt amassed 428 total yards and six touchdowns. There were a few plays that could be labeled as embarrassing last night for the Buffs but none more shocking than Opelt, who would probably tell you he is not the world's greatest athlete, ran 61 yards, right through the middle of the Buffs defense for six points. Untouched.

After the Colorado State game, anger ran rampant across the news publications, message boards and blogs. After the Toledo game it has turned into sadness and a harsh realization that a quick fix is out of the question. The Buffaloes are a long way away from being relevant. That is a tough thing to swallow only two games into the college football season for fans of the team they support. Making it even more difficult is the fact that Colorado had expectations this year, labeled as a "Big 12 North contender," a sleeper, even the Buffs head coach said 10 wins. In 2006, the Buffs had no expectations and rightfully so as they went on to win two games. The next two years in what should have been considered rebuilding seasons, a 4 - 2 and 3 - 0 start was in order. Now we come to year four,  labeled in the college football world as a time for a coach to show considerable progress.

Six days into the college football season and we know there isn't any progress, in fact, the question now is would the 2006 team beat the 2009 team? The Buffs have certainly had their fair share of horrific losses the past half decade but no way in year four, in all due respect to the Mid American Conference, should a team from the MAC steam roll you. Toledo, won three games a year ago and many publications, like the Washington Times, having the Rockets pegged to finish outside the top 100 in college football.

Yes, it's no longer an angry feeling. It's sadness, embarrassment and disbelief. The light at the end of the tunnel looks to be years away...again.

There was also one other expectation attached to that 10 wins statement back in December by coach Hawkins that seems to be out the window as well: no excuses. There is one reason Dan Hawkins stated those two words in December. He realized that any excuse he made about his team would be a direct reflection of the poor job he was doing. It was smart in a way because he knew if he was making the same excuses in 2009, he was now responsible for them.

But Dan Hawkins continues to use the same excuses and the same criticisms of the team are being mentioned on re-run in every article in every quote. Dan Hawkins before he says anything should ask this question in his head: "I have been at the University of Colorado for four years, is this a valid excuse or is this something that me and my coaching staff should have been able to fix since I was hired in December 16th, 2005 for $1,000,000 a year through the avenues of recruiting, through better coaching or better game preparation?" That should be the credo.

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First multi-statement excuse:

"We gave up too many big plays, that's for sure. It's a little bit of a 'getting adjusted in the game' issue," CU coach Dan Hawkins said. "We've got so many young guys up front on both sides of the ball, that's part of it."

The infamous, "we have too many young guys up front on both sides of the ball" comment. Who's fault? Refer to the credo above.

Oh, the infamous "getting adjusted in the game" excuse. Who's fault? Refer to the credo above.

A re-use excuse:

"The biggest thing for us is some of the youth . . . you've got a few older guys who've been around," Dan Hawkins said of his team's pair of slow starts.

"They (older guys) tend to be a little more grizzled, the younger guys tend to be a little more shocked. For a kid playing high school ball, you get down by three touchdowns in a half, I mean that's hard to overcome. In college it's not. Part of it is learning that."

Refer to the part of credo that states the year of arrival, subtract 2009 from it and then realize that for almost four years now, this excuse has been mentioned in every single losing news column for the past four years.

Not an excuse but worth noting:

"I know this: Inside our program we're doing things right", said Dan Hawkins.

54 points to Toledo isn't right. Making Aaron Opelt look like a Heisman candidate isn't right. Losing to a first year head coach isn't right. Giving up 624 yards of total offense to the 85th ranked offense from a year ago isn't right. Giving up 11 plays over 20 yards isn't right. Allowing any college football team to score seven touchdowns, isn't right. Blowing coverages, missing third down tackles on quarterbacks, starting walk-on wide receivers, not having a pass rush isn't right. The fact that Toledo was able to run the spread better than the Buffs did all of last year with Big 12 talent isn't right. Losing to Getting blown out by a MAC school for the first time in school history isn't right. Being embarrassed on national television isn't right in any shape or form.

Dan Hawkins, this isn't right. In reality, nothing is right.

I can just imagine how donors and long-time season ticket holders will react to that lone comment. Is their really that much of a gap between expectations that this is considered right?

Another case of a disconnect between reality and who knows:

"There were too many big plays, that`s for sure," Colorado head coach Dan Hawkins said. "We got close, but we weren`t able to stop them."

"We got close?" Really. What is the definition of the words right and close? I honestly woke up this morning with the intent of not focusing entirely on Dan Hawkins but how can he honestly with a straight face say these things? Close would have been giving up 28 points but instead the 85th ranked offense from a year ago scored 54. Close? Never has this program been so far away from relevant.

And my favorite quote:

Dan Hawkins said Scott "did a nice job. Unfortunately we weren't able to stick in there with him . . . he's a rhythm runner; he started getting a little confidence going. But the score got away from us."

So you just admitted that Scott needs carries to get going? So that  totally explains why Scott has only been given a few carries a game in his college career. It's all making sense now.

The Buffs continue to make the same mistakes they made last year and the year before and the year before that. Take the Florida State game in 2008, once again on the road, where Dan Hawkins has won only two games in his career at Colorado.  See if you can remember all the similar things that happened last night compared to that game: big plays on runs and in the special teams game given up, overthrown touchdown passes, dropped balls, missed field goals, sacks, turnovers.

No coach, this isn't right. And it isn't close. The program is not right and the program is not close.

Moving off that soap box.

I don't know where the Buffs go from here. I hope Cody Hawkins is alright, he suffered a huge hit and regardless of Cody Hawkins level of success in the eyes of Buff fans, the kid doesn't give up. I feel for Darrell Scott who had 12 carries for 85 yards and broke the Buffs' single game all purpose yards record. I feel for a lot of the Buffalo players.

I don't know where we go from here. But it has been a long four years. I remember where I was when the Buffs lost to Montana State and that feels like a long, long time ago.

But I do know one thing, if Coach Hawkins thinks this is right, things won't be right in Boulder for a long, long time.

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As fans have we just set the our expectations too low?

Watching that abortion of a performance last night at a bar with 100+ buff fans, there was no anger or surprise among anyone there. It was more of a comedic sadness that grew with every Toledo touchdown and every Cody Hawkins INT thrown. You’re dead on, its more depressing than anything at this point and we deserve better and we should demand better. I look across our schedule for the rest of the season and I think two wins is going to be a stretch. I’m terified of what is going to happen in Austin. Four years is too long for us to put up with this and the school owes it to its students and alumni to provide a better product on the field.

I think about how giddy I was just one week ago today for the start of the college football season, now I just want to be over.

Thank you Dan for what you have tried to do in Boulder but its time to pack your bags and hit the road.

by NYCskibum on Sep 12, 2009 8:47 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree with you...

It isn’t about anger anymore with this team, it’s now about embarrassment and sadness. I couldn’t believe how slow and unorganized we have looked the past two weeks. The 61 yard TD was totally embarrassing. When was the last time we really gave up that many long touchdowns to a team of Toledo’s caliber? It’s time for a serious “gut” check. Not one of those “come on guys” talks, but a “get your asses in gear” talk. Noone wants to be a loser and I don’t see the fire throughout the program that we should have. We have about 10 guys on the entire team that are “selling out” and giving some effort out there. And that doesn’t cut it!! It’s all or nothing time for this football team. We looked like my middle school players out there and we got beat 40-0 by a sub-par team!!

DRINK THE KOOL-AID FELLAS!!!!

by Bigbuff44 on Sep 12, 2009 8:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Well put

I couldn’t have said it better myself. I don’t normally post in these forums but felt compelled after the debacle we witnessed the past two games. The only place I will disagree with your comments above is the statement about us trying to run the spread with Big XII talent last season. Let’s be honest, as we saw last night, we are nowhere close to having Big XII talent or coaching in our program. Exhibit A, Toledo had much better size and speed on the outside last night. If we are going to have to survive in the Big XII with subpar talent across the board compared to the rest of the league, we better make up for it with flawless execution, a solid game plan, appropriate in-game adjustments and heart. As far as I can tell, the Dan Hawkins led Buffaloes have none of those attributes going into year four of his tenure. I can only imagine that the display on the field the past two weeks plus upcoming potential embarrassments on ESPN at the hands of West Virginia and Oklahoma State will only further deflate our recruiting momentum. I will always be an avid Buff support and alum and believe we need to support the kids on the field. However, we do not owe the highly paid head coach the same support. He has had 3+ years to show improvement on the field and it is very apparent that he is in over his head coaching in this conference at this university. Yes the buyout of his contract is steep for a cash starved athletic department but I would view us keeping him around much long a larger long-term financial detriment to the athletic department and university. Boosters donate and people buy tickets to watch a program headed in the right direction and is competitive on the field. In a sports and entertainment market with plenty of professional and alternative options for the consumer’s dollar, CU has a slim margin of error to attract those disposable income dollars. Hopefully Hawkins can prove me (and from what I can tell the vast majority of the Buff Nation) wrong that he has things going in the right direction and I hope he does. But I think we have all seen a large enough sample size to draw the conclusion this is not the right man for the job. Now it’s just a matter of how far into the abyss Bohn and the administration is going to let this program sink for the next guy to try and crawl out of.

by charlottebuff on Sep 12, 2009 9:49 AM MDT reply actions  

Bummer

Like all of you, I am once again dissapointed with the program. I dunno where we go from here. I do know if we struggle like this all year, Hawkins is probably gone. At least Scott got some carries and looked great. Say what you will about Cody, but he is one hell of a tough kid. He sat in the pocket getting lit up to make his throws all game. Yes some were bad, but again our o line sucked. Codys run at the end was gutsy as all hell. Hopefully we blow out Wyoming, but I doubt it…

by buffs15 on Sep 12, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions  

Agree on Cody

Plenty of heart and he is catching more heat than he probably deserves. He’s trying his best, the problem is, his best in nowhere good enough for us to be competitive. Yes his receivers have dropped catchable balls the past two games but he has also made some horrible decisions and overthrows. Bottom line, his starting keeps us from landing a top tier recruit at the position and with the talent around him we need to have a quarterback who can be a playmaker, not a game manager.

by charlottebuff on Sep 12, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

cody (beyond his obvious physical limitations)

I apologize as I cant remember where I read this, but I agree wholeheartedly. To Summarize: Cody, though a nice guy and full of energy, is not a leader. A leader, esp. a qb, has his players up for the game and ready to execute. We have looked excited to play, but in no way ready to execute. The apple did not fall far from the tree. Dan is also a nice guy and full of energy but clueless when it comes to getting his team ready to play with focused energy. It is great what Scott showed us last week- mix that in with speedy and it would be exactly what I hoped to see coming into the year. The problem is, when you get to third and makeable, you need a quarterback who can stand in the pocket and deliver a strike in the face of the rush. Convert the third downs, shuffle in the pocket to buy time, make the proper reads – all of these things Cody seems unable to do. We will be held back as an offense for as long as this is the case. I feel sorry for our defense – who wants to hustle time and time again when your offense is just going to go three and out? I feel sorry for Simmons – who wants to come in and run go patterns when your quarterback cannot get the ball to you? Most of all, I feel sorry for the fans (myself included)- Who wants to watch their faavorite team (a talented team) trip over their own shoelaces while the coach looks confused on the sideline?
-I have had all I can take, it is so frustrating

by rckymtnbuff on Sep 12, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

How far we have fallen

I don’t even know why I’m looking at my normal protocol of CU Football sites today (this is my favorite), I guess its just a morbid curiousity at this point.

As someone earlier stated, I have spend entirely too much time reading and follwoing the Buffs every move the past 9 month, much more than in any other recent year becasue this was supposed to be the emerging of the team finally. In less than one week it has all turned into anger, and now just a numbness and relization that we aren’t even in the same league as most of Division 1 teams.

I just can’t comprehend how this the team performance has regressed over the years especially when the talent level has supposedly gone up. Defensive speed is an oxymoron (spelling?) at this point.

I did love the heart displayed by Cody last night, I’ve got to give it to the kid considering the physical beating he took, and the pressure he must be feeling off the field. I think he is a solid person who does leave it all out there, but in terms of shear physical talent there are limitations.

I’m sure I have further reflection over the week, but right now I’m trying not to think about my dissapointment too much.

Go Buffs….

by BuffnBigD on Sep 12, 2009 9:56 AM MDT reply actions  

I'm done with excuses

I’ve been a season ticket holder for 10 years and moved to club seats this year and am beyond disappointed in the football program. We’re worse than when new-weasle left.

I’ve had enough of Hawkins excuses! Let’s call it like it is…we have no talent and continue to recruit less-than Big12 caliber players.

When we get rid of the Hawkins crew, let’s also get rid of Bohn making them all accountable to the very poor results.

by curox on Sep 12, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Still 10 Games Left

Biggest question for the here and now is, what is Hawk and his staff going to do to make changes for the rest of the year?

 Albert Einstein once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

If any big name coach showed up tomorrow, Carrol, Stoops, Meyer, Tressel, what would be the first change they would make?

Would they be able to make this team better?

How much of it is the players? Do we have enough D1 talent?

How much of it is the coaching or lack of?

There are so many un-answered questions.

The 2 biggest items in my mind that have to be fixed first are the offensive and defensive lines. Until we can get some good line play on both sides of the ball, nothing less will get better.

Hawk has to change his body language on the side lines. Everytime the camera was on him he had the look of being confused or lost. Players see that. Hawk is suppose to be incharge and have a plan even when things go wrong. His press conferences are lame.

He’s pointing the blame on his players saying,“Well ,we have too many young guys in there.” Why isn’t he steeping up and putting all the blame on himself and his coaching staff? As a player, when the coach shoulders the blame for a loss it makes it a lot easier to work harder and get better. It’s no different in the business world, most sucessful managers shoulder the blame when things go wrong and give all the credit to employees when things are going right.

I wish coach Mac would drive over to visit with Hawk and backhand him a couple times and say snap out of it?

by CrazyBuff on Sep 12, 2009 10:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Could we even beat Appalachian State?

I don’t even think we’d have a chance against anybody in the top 50.
This is scary.
I’m tired of repeatedly bashing Hawkins and Bohn, but this is disgusting. Who thought we would fall so far so fast? I don’t quite understand how our team was supposed to be way better than last year, yet we are so much worse? With a healthy Darrell Scott, too!

by SoCal12 on Sep 12, 2009 10:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Alabama fan here

I always hate it when other fans come flocking to a blog when a team is down just to rub salt in a wound. That is certainly not what I’m doing here. As a fan of a once proud program that is just now coming out of a long slumber, I can sympathize with what you’re going through right now. In our bowl game two years ago (has it been that long?), we got out to a great start, but it quickly became apparent that our two teams were mostly evenly matched. I felt after that game that Colorado would be a team winning at least 8 or 9 games a year from there on out. You can see how quickly Alabama’s fortunes changed from that seven win season, and I honestly thought the same would be true for the Buffs. I was hoping to tune in last night and see a Colorado team back on pace to contend for the Big 12 North, but what I saw was an eerie resemblence to Alabama circa 2003 (we went 4-9 that year after going 10-3 in 2002). What we as Alabama fans should have realized at that point was that we had a guy that just couldn’t cut as an SEC coach. Despite some bright points, we figured out four years later that we needed a proven head coach to lead our team. I know it’s tough to think about, but I think you guys need a change at the top, and fast. The AD should really be creating a list now of guys to bring in and make an immediate impact. First and foremost, you need a guy that can put Colorado back in the national discussion when it comes to recruiting. I know you had a good 2008 class, but it needs to be much more consistent than that. I truly believe that if you guys can make a “splash” hire over the next offseason (as early in December as possible), then you will quickly return to national relevance.

Also — you guy’s have a great blog here. I love to see an active community like this one.

Much respect.

by HarveyBirdmanAAL on Sep 12, 2009 11:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Appreciate the kind words.

Thank you

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by Jon Woods on Sep 12, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Harvey

Agree with your post that Bama has certainly gone in the opposite direction since that game while the Buffs are struggling to find any identity.

In a perfect world, I think we would like to see some sort of action taken tomorrow but the AD is probably tied to Hawkins so if one’s gone, they are both gone so their isn’t a lot of scheming going on behind the scene. Our AD gave Hawkins an extension last year that will be a big financial burden for the department to fire him so donors will probably have to step up and make something work if that is the route they wish to choose.

Who knows what will happen but I agree with your assessment on what sort of coach we need but part of the problem at the University of Colorado and the difference in programs like Alabama is you have to question how much the University cares about football or sports in general. That is what we are left with now. Does Colorado want to make the commitment to athletics? I don’t know and that is a major problem.

Its not a great situation from a financial perspective as well as

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by Bob_Bell on Sep 12, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is it talent or coaching

I don’t believe the cupbards are bare, while the past recruiting classes are not on the level of say Oklahoma and Texas, they are filled with D-1 players. The two biggest problems I see is that Hawkins gets an idea that he should be recruiting these guys who have a marginal ability to qualify at CU or have character issues to stay, he wastes his time and effort recruiting them and then they get disqualified or suspended, it wastes time and scholarships. You look at what coaches like Jim Harbaugh and Tedford are doing at Stanford and Cal, or even Calhoun at Air Force, they get kids they know can stay in school and will get in.

That being said, we do have D-1 talent to be a power running team or even a option team. But the coaches refusal to try to get the most talented players the ball and run a scheme that they feel will help players like Scott and Stewart is what frustrates more than anything. You hit it on the head, Scott needs carries to be effective, just giving up on your best player because of the score is stupid. Run the ball, keep the defense off the field, control the clock, hopefully your defense can force a TO and get you back in the game, but making Cody Hawkins do something he is not capable of is an insult to the team. The coaching staff is not finding out what players can do and be successful at and putting them into position to excel at what they can do well. Instead the staff has found out what players can’t do and tries to force them to do that. I understand the defense will struggle with having a young D-line, but the LB’s should be alllowed to attack the line versus having them sit back and react. But the way I see it, the coaching staff has failed the kids, not the other way around.

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by Broncoman on Sep 12, 2009 11:50 AM MDT reply actions  

From Hawk Love to Hawk Leave

What I watched last night was an embarrasment.

To not even be competitive with a middle of the pack MAC team on national TV is a joke. We are probably lucky that the game was on Friday night for every potential high school recruit in the country was busy at his own game last night and will likely look at the score and think that the 16 point loss was a lot closer than it actually was.

I admire coach Hawk for his effort here but we need a change. As a parent, you couldn’t possibly send your kid to play for this group right now. And for the recruiting impact alone, Hawk needs to resign or be fired now regardless of the price.

There’s no PASSION for Colorado Football. No fire. No backbone. Hawk has never been as mad as his “intramurals” rant two years ago about a parent who wrote a letter. We need someone who’s not afraid to get mad and fire a kid up right now and restore the credibility.

My choice, Dave Logan. He bleeds black and gold. He’s passionate. He’s a winner everywhere he’s been and he comes (relatively) cheap. Not to mention every kid and parent in Colorado knows who he is and what he stands for.

by Eforceone on Sep 12, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Logan

I think the CU head coaching job may be a step down at this point from what he is doing at Mullen

by NYCskibum on Sep 12, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Logan is a good colorado high school coach

but I don’t know how much he resonates on a national level. He would be good for colorado in the state but we need help getting speed out of texas, california, ohio (scratch that after last night). Logan hasn’t recruited anyone before either. Maybe Eric Bieniemy…who knows.

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by Bob_Bell on Sep 12, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Any Interest in

Pat Hill? or are we done fishing for coaches in the WAC after this debacle?

by NYCskibum on Sep 12, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Logan has recruited someone. He got Lendale White to transfer from South to Chatfield. ;-)

by Eforceone on Sep 12, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree Logan would be great

But I think when he was passed over for Barnett, that was the last chance to get him. At 55 he has a pretty good financial life right now. He would have to devote so much more of his time to college coaching vs, Broncos radio, Mullen coach, commericials and other business interests he does now. I don’t think he could be lured away. I do feel he would have been a very successful college coach, but i don’t think we will ever get the chance to find out. I wouldn’t bet against him, as you stated, he’s always been a winner.

by CrazyBuff on Sep 12, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Logan as coach-not on board

I’m not so sure Logan is the answer. While he’s done an amazing job as a high school coach, it’s tough to justify hiring someone to run a program without any kind of college coaching experience. High school coaching in Colorado is a whole lot different than coaching in the Big 12. I’d love to see him as an assistant in the program, but running the show, a different story.

There are two former SEC coaches with good track records unemployed right now in Tommy Tuperville and Phil Fulmer. Also, the former BC coach who got canned after two good years because he interviewed for the NY Jets job, Jeff Jagodinski (likely botched the spelling). What about Norm Chow (former USC OC and current UCLA OC)? He’s done a tremendous job as an OC in various programs.

How about this one…bring back coach Mac. If Snyder can come back to KSU, why not? If he’s at all interested, and I know this is a big stretch, maybe he’d do it again.

by swflbuffsfan on Sep 12, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

The bottom line is there is talent on this team. We have more talent and better players than Colorado St. and Toledo and the coaches have done a horrible job of developing the talent and putting the players in postions to succeed. I have been a huge Hawkins supporter, and have told everyone to give him time, but I have completely lost faith in the staff.

by gingerh on Sep 12, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Predictable

And another thing….. this team was so predictable last night, I looked like Vince Lombardi. Watch the game back (if you dare). Simmons was in so seldom last night, that when he did come in the game, you and everyone else in the free world knew that they were going to through at him. And if you don’t think Toledo had their ears pinned back in the second half knowing that we were going to throw it, ask yourself how many running plays, draws, or screens we called. Outside of the scramble where Cody got his head knocked off, I don’t remember one. Not one. That’s on the staff, period.

by Eforceone on Sep 12, 2009 12:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Terribad

I appreciate Hawkins enthusiasm for the program but his act tired. Aside from the arrogance and ignorance regarding his pre/post-game comments, he’s also the one most responsible for recruiting. What does it say when your best players are walk-ons? It tells me that we: 1. aren’t evaluating talent well, and 2. not recruiting well.
The conversation shouldn’t end with Hawkins though, when do we put some of the blame on Ron Collins and Greg Brown? 60 yard quarterback draws? 60 and 70 yard pass plays? Huge gains all night? No pressure on the QB? The Defense was worse than our offensive game plan last week. That’s saying something.

by Ever on Sep 12, 2009 1:04 PM MDT reply actions  

it is certainly an overall coaching issue

not just at the top. The amount of big plays given up the first two weeks are sickening. Toledo averaged 9.5 yards a play last night…that is pathetic

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by Bob_Bell on Sep 12, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

New Coaches

Dave Logan-No. I love Dave, but I’m not sure our answer lies in a first time college coach.

I think we need to go after somebody with a great track record at the OC/DC postion for a constantly winning major program that is currently frustrated by not being “the man”. Norm Chow is the right direction. We offer the opportunity to run a Big12 team in the best location of all Big 12 schools. Somebody who knows the benefit of team speed and a defense that can swarm to the ball (like we used to).

Of course who ever it is, they shouldn’t be expecting a lot of money. This should be easy.

Could Muschamp be tired of waiting for Brown to retire?

by BuffnBigD on Sep 12, 2009 3:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Coach choices

1. Eric Bieniemy – he is now experienced in both college & NFL and is a great recruiter
2. Cincinnati’s head coach – tough minded approach that just plain wins ball games w/ only decent talent
3. A head coach from the state of Texas – TCU? Immediately gives us a pipeline for recruiting Texas

We need some donors to step up to the plate and fund this move. And if the basketball team doesn’t improve this season then we need to get rid of Bohn as well

by CleBUFFS on Sep 12, 2009 4:14 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Coach BZ will have the basketball program at CU winning 15-20 a year

He is a coach of substance, unlike Hawkins. I can see where BZ is going with the team. He’s already bringing in new prospects and turning this thing around. If it were up to me, I would let BZ have at least three years more.

by SoCal12 on Sep 12, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dont wanna shoot you down already,

But i dont see BZ turning this thing around at all. With the attrition in the program thats occurring already in His freshman, he has no base to work with at all. That alone is a terrible sign of things to come.

Ugg i hate the state of CU athletics

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by 303buff on Sep 12, 2009 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Make that anything

who prevents us from being embarrassed by f-in Toledo on Prime time national HD is good in my book.

Anyone else think the 2-10 team could beat this team? I do, and thats a thought that makes me wanna put my face through a sheet of glass.

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by 303buff on Sep 12, 2009 5:23 PM MDT reply actions  

The worst part about this whole thing

is realizing the issues we need to correct are going to take years, not weeks. Needless to say their will be a lot more pain for Buff fans before things can get better.

Somehow I don’t think a lot of blue chippers in HS woke up this morning and thought the the CU Program was where they want to be.

by BuffnBigD on Sep 12, 2009 5:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Disagree a bit

We have seen plenty of programs really turn it around in only a season or two. Despite what many think I believe there is the talent there for an 8 win season, just don’t think the current coaching staff can get us there. I really believe with the right staff we could be competing for the North title as early as next season.

by NYCskibum on Sep 12, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

we need some quarterback play...not saying it is the fault of the quarterback this season

but you watch Tate Forcier from Michigan, Blaine Gabbert (although they are getting beat by Bowling Green), the Buffs need a guy who can be a difference maker at that position.

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by Bob_Bell on Sep 12, 2009 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

That would help

Talk about not playing to your strengths….When Cody has 60+ pass attempts a game what can we really expect. We could be up all night if we want to discuss the holes in this team.

by NYCskibum on Sep 12, 2009 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1
We could be up all night if we want to discuss the holes in this team.

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by Bob_Bell on Sep 12, 2009 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or Florida

or Texas, or LSU, or…or…or. Crap! apparently even a Toledo type guy would be an improvement!

by BuffnBigD on Sep 12, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whats even worse is Colorado State is only up one

 on FCS Weber State was has been leading alot of the game, the same Weber State team that lost to Wyoming who the Buffs play next weekend who had the lead against Texas late in the first half….

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by Bob_Bell on Sep 12, 2009 5:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Weber State fumbles on the 10 yard line going into score/kick the winning field goal

Rams escape…barely.

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by Bob_Bell on Sep 12, 2009 6:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Yep

Make that two games this weekend that indicate my Rams probably aren’t that good. And now Air Force is losing. Yuck.

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Sep 12, 2009 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I took a day break from the program.

I admit I spent all day at RCT hanging out with my hangover and watching a competent football team take care of business. I’m fucking jealous.

Of the Kansas Jayhawks football team. I think I’ll go back to bed, now.

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by A.J. Haefele on Sep 13, 2009 1:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Jeah no shit man

They"re good at the two sports that matter. Stop bogarting the success KU, ya jerks…

Plus their football coach is really really fat. Sorry for the personal attack, but mix in a gazelle or two dude.

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by 303buff on Sep 13, 2009 2:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lost little Buffs

Not only does Hawk look lost on the sideline, our guys look lost on the field. The swagger of confidence is null with these players and to me it seems like it stems from their preparedness during the week, and the coaches ability to put the guys in the place to be successful.
Unfortunately, the parallel to Boise State is not even approachable. We felt as though we got the mastermind behind BSU’s success, but funny enough, even after Hawk left the program, the Broncos have virtually not even missed a beat.
Bohn and Hawk are directly connected at CU and it seems like that could be bad for both of them by December!
I hope above hope this is all in vein, and they find a way to make a fantastic turn-a-round, but from what I have seen, I vote for Jon Gruden and the installation of the spread offense!

by gr8st8fan on Sep 13, 2009 10:31 AM MDT reply actions  

...don't know where we go from here?

I know where we need to go as a program. Admit that the Hawkins era, no matter how much we love the guy, is a failure, move on, and give Tony Dungy a call. If he’s not interested, I’m sure he’ll know a few people who are.

by Buffnut86 on Sep 13, 2009 10:45 PM MDT reply actions  

good call.

great motivator – and apprently loves to help guys out, as evidenced by his association with Vick. I think he’d be a great fit in Boulder – he’s a great character guy, which I think Boulder still needs…

by BuffulanceMan on Sep 14, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

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