Colorado Buffaloes' RB Darrell Scott Transfers, One Could Guess It's Just the Beginning
This just in: Dan Hawkins does not have the support of all of his players. After weeks upon weeks of select players saying "it isn't the coaches fault" or "we are behind the coaches 100%," Darrell Scott did what all of us were thinking and leads us to believe that Dan Hawkins does not have the pulse of his team. The press conference last week where Hawkins pretty much pleaded for his job, reading emails about how great he was and how he does things "the right way" all makes sense now. The problem is "the right way" doesn't mean winning football games.
Gone is Darrell Scott, the Buffs leading all purpose player in 2009. The number one recruit, 6'2" 220 pounds. Gone is Josh Smith, who led the Buffs in all purpose yards in 2008. But both were supposedly not capable of playing on offense for some reason. You can lead the team in all purpose yards but are not good enough to play on the offensive side of the ball, was the message that was sent. On the bench is 6'3" 210 pound WR Andre Simmons because the playbook is too hard on a 15 - 30 team. Converted speedy cornerback turned receiver Anthony Wright is no where to be found. WR Markques Simas' potential is still untapped. Remember Kai Maiava. For all the promise we hear about certain players on the Buffs offensive line and two supposed first round draft picks, they continue to underperform mightily.
Everyone has a theory why certain player's aren't playing and some are leaving but regardless of whether they are valid or not, ultimately in Dan Hawkins' fourth year as a head coach, he has lost his top two all purpose players in back to back years, is 15 - 30 as a head coach of the Colorado Buffaloes, has not found the right combination of players/recruiting to field a competitive team on the offensive side of the ball (or anywhere for that matter) and the saddest part of the whole deal and the complete disservice to the kids, he has not developed player talent. Flat out, players have not gotten better in this program. We talked about it in the past but it is hard to name a player who has gotten better. And that is shame to young men who sign to play with the Colorado Buffaloes and hope to fulfill a dream.What today's events also shows is that it isn't as rosy in the Buffs' locker room as Dan Hawkins tries to make it out to be. It isn't all peachy like a few select players make it out to be. The program isn't going in the right direction like Mike Bohn thinks it is. Overall, it is a mess and the people running the ship are not capable. The perspective of Colorado football is out of focus right now where the goal is not winning. It isn't. Argue it all you want but winning isn't the goal and that is the problem. It can't be because you don't lose players for no apparent reason when they believe the ship is being steered in the right direction.
Symbolically, this is a bad day. I can only imagine the negative perspective this news will have on a national level. Think about potential recruits now. They will be saying, "if they can't keep Darrell Scott happy, can they keep me happy?" The ramifications of this is big and once again, on a national level, Colorado is a laughing stock. Every single coach the Buffs go up against in a recruiting battle will only have to utter two words to the kid to get his attention about the red flags in going to Colorado: Darrell Scott.
As for Darrell Scott, I wish him the best. I hope the injury bug that has plagued him over the past two years goes away and that he is wildly successful at his next stop. He had to do what was best for him and I can honestly say, I think he made the right choice and I know, man to man, no Buff fan would disagree with that statement. And once again, isn't that a taste of reality? I'm sorry because Darrell Scott didn't even get a shot. On a 15 - 30 team, he didn't get a shot. We never really knew what he had.
As a Buff fan, it is sad to say that this isn't the best situation for a player. It might be the best place for you to get an education and become a better man, but to try and better yourself to make millions of dollars at the next level, win games and set collegiate records, the University of Colorado is not the best place for you. I am all for players earning time and proving that they are worthy but this team is a 15 - 30 the last four years. What evidence do we have that says this coaching staff was playing the best with a record like that? None.
Whether you think Darrell Scott was the second best running back on the team or not, you can't argue that the current product is getting it done and that is main point here. There is no sign or glimmer of hope that it will get any better in the future either. Sure, Darrell Scott might not be the #1 running back in the nation as he was dubbed a couple years ago and I have no problem with playing Rodney Stewart but the main concern is the Buffs' haven't shown that they can be competitive, regardless of who is in the game. Unless you are winning games, you better find ways to play playmakers or recruit them and this now points to the fact that they people running the show have failed to do both.
Nothing else needs to be said. This situation is something you could see coming from a mile away. And I wouldn't be shocked if this is only the beginning.
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I literally feel sick tonight
I actually wish I wasn’t travelling from Dallas this 3 day weekend to visit and see the game with my brother (Aggie), but it was pre-arranged and money has been spent.
This weekend will do nothing but hit me dead in the face as to what a mess this situation is, and how long it wil take to repair and become a competitive program again.
One question: how did this get so bad so fast?
I gotta go throw up.
today is a sad day...
One can only hope that something good will come out of this someday.
by HBbuff on Nov 3, 2009 7:06 PM MST via mobile reply actions
4 good things could come out of this
1. D Scott stays healthy and has a good career at UCLA
2. Hawkins gets canned (which is too bad because he is a good guy, just not a good coach) OR…
3. Hawkins quits (too much to hope for in light of his huge buy out?)
4. CU lands a good coach (Logan, Shanahan???)
by buffs15 on Nov 4, 2009 7:46 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The only thing I can hope is that Hawkins proves he is a "warrior" and does what is best for the
Buffs and resigns. But I know he is full of BS and won’t do the honorable thing and step aside. Hawkins has lost any credibility with any recruit worth a damn, I am guessing no one worth a damn will be coming here as long Hawkins is coach. Move over ISU, we need some room in that cellar.
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So my question now is to Neil Woelk if he thinks the CU fans are split into thirds
I can’t find anyone outside of Bohn and the Chancellor who supports Hawkins and thinks what he is doing is working, I prey that everyone shows up in powder blue the rest of the year, and I would hate to say this, but I honestly think the fans should boycott the Nebraska game, that would be the biggest statement to the adminsitration if their biggest money game there isn’t any fans except the Nebraska fans in the end zone, especially of it is on national TV.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
The Hawk must fly away
Seriously, email the CU AD Mike Bohn b/c enough is enough:
Mike.bohn@colorado.edu
by CleBUFFS on Nov 3, 2009 8:00 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I've already written that clown a couple times
I don’t think it does any good, we have to go above him. Bohn needs to be fired just as bad.
Here's my letter, I am guessing I will get a canned response
Mr. Bohn,
With the news that Darrel Scott is transferring, I am imploring you to do what is right for the program and the University of Colorado and dismiss or ask coach Hawkins to resign. I admit I am not a big time booster, I can only go to maybe one or two games a year, but I have been a steady and big fan for twenty years. It has become obvious to everyone, with the exception of yourself that Coach Hawkins is over matched as a coach and does not have the ability to mold or teach a team. This program has gotten progressively worse over the past three seasons and now has lost it’s biggest recruit. This will effectively eliminate coach Hawkins credibility with any recruit that will have the ability to play and compete at the Big 12 level. I can’t threaten to hold back $100,000 of dollars from the program, but I can refuse to continue to support this program by attending games and buying merchandise, which I intend to do until a change is made. I have heard the argument that CU cannot afford to make a change at this point; however, every day that Hawkins is allowed to coach drives away fans, eliminates the possibility of bowl games and financial rewards, and drives away boosters. You state that the program is heading in the right direction, what direction is that? What evidence do you have to show this program is heading in a positive direction? When has it become acceptable to have not only a losing team but a team that honestly cannot compete on a D-I level? We all make mistakes, hiring people is usually fraught with risks and usually you have about a 50/50 shot at hiring the right person regardless. The sign of a good manager is one who can admit to a mistake and make the necessary change for the good of the company. I implore you to be that good manager and make the change for the good of the CU program.
I know you will likely never read this email since it doesn’t have a check attached to it, but I sincerely hope you do and start looking in the faces of the alumni and former players and swallow your pride and make a change. If not for us, you owe it to the student athletes who have been sold on something and are not allowed to flourish because of the inadequacies of the coaching staff.
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Nov 3, 2009 8:34 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Here is the Mike Bohn Response
Thank you for taking time to write. I appreciate your passion and support of the program. I have read your note and your points are well taken. MB
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
At least you got a response.
I sent him one Sunday night begging for a change now, and not at the end of the season because I thought we might lose guys like Scott and Kasa if they saw not light at the end of the tunnel. Turns out, I was right.
"your points are well taken"
hmm, sound like he might of actually read it. The two responses I’ve received in the past have been these long canned pieces of propaganda.
good luck Darrell
we wish you all the luck in the world….only wish that CU showed you as much class as you showed us….Go Bruins!
by erb79cu on Nov 3, 2009 8:03 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I'll root for Darrell, BUT
I cannot root for Tricky Ricky. That guy had the keys to a loaded castle at CU, f’d it up and then left.
Hawkins must go
by CleBUFFS on Nov 3, 2009 8:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I only have one question for Darrell:
What took you so long?
Best of luck to you. You deserve better than what we have offered. One of my proudest days as a Buff was when you committed. It’s clear that you have talent. I hope you find a home where they will let you exploit it.
I hope I get to root for you on my Niners some day, but if not them then maybe the Broncos.
Despite expecting it for so e time I'm still surprised
As a Buff fan we can only hope that this, as much as it hurts, will get us one step closer to making a change to the coaching staff and athletic director. It is just one more embarrassment in what outside of the recruitment of D Scott has been a miserable four years. Completely unacceptable to the fans and a humiliation to the University and alumni.
Sad day for the program...but for different reasons
Good luck Darrell in UCLA.
I agree w/ the above poster about being so excited when he committed. I was so jazzed I told everyone at work, and they looked at me like….who the hell is that and have you been drinking.
At the time I thought that finally, Hawk had worked some magic and recruited a 5 star recruit and there was more to come. I was jazzed about Polk also…. I thought this is the beginning of a dominating running attack….
And then I saw Darrell. I can’t be too critical of an 18 year old kid coming in with all the pressure of being a consensus top 5 recruit at RB, but he came in out of shape and did not have much of an impact his freshman year.
I thought things had changed this year, had heard he was in better shape, but was lacking certain intangeables like…vision. Having to start him farther back in the backfield b/c he couldn’t see the holes. Watching his….kickoff returns….b/c he wasn’t getting carries was not that impressive. He seemed slow. All north and south. No burst of speed, no elusiveness, no power.
My sadness isn’t b/c Scott has left, but rather the symbol of it for future recruiting. Any recruiter/coach can point to this and say…. I see you are being recruited by CU…..You remember Darrell Scott? and then they’ll so nope. And then they’ll say neither do I and fill them in.
Most of the Ralphie Nation will undoubtedly truthfully point to the fact that he was never given the ball. But the same are probably the ones that have been crying for Hansen all year. Both are disappointing.
At the end of the day it comes down to recruitment and player development, and CU has proven that they cannot do either.
by Ever on Nov 3, 2009 8:58 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Well put
Its not so much the loss of talent (I was never overly impressed either), but the impact it WILL have on recruiting. This will be seen as a waste of talent that CU couldn’t develop and there are other cases as well to support this view.
As I mentioned on Sunday, I just hope Kasa and a handful of other aren’t next, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
I remember the day he committed too
I was sitting at work hitting refresh on my computer until it finally popped up and I went around high-fiving other CU fans (the few that there were, even less now) and then went and talked a bunch of trash to one of my good buddies who is a Husker fan. I never thought it would end like this… sad.
Darrel txt Haggen and Hawk
that he was transferring? thats weak! be a man tell em face to face.
by Zonabuff on Nov 3, 2009 9:15 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Who cares
Darrell was barely a part of the offensive game plan during his time in Boulder. A text was the kind thing to do, I would probably have spray painted it on Hawkins’ car.
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lol
at the idea of Scott spray painting “I’M OUT!” on Dan’s Smart Car (or whatever he drives, probably something like that)
Or maybe toss a rock threw his window with a note attached to it
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
even weaker
was Dan texting him back. One of them is 20 years old, and it isn’t supposed to be the coach!
The worst part
is that Hawkins ACTUALLY TEXTED him back! Who’s is the 20 year old here???
Maybe he should of responded in kind to Hawkins
“In or Out”
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
From the Denver Post Article
http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_13704254
“There’s really nothing to say, other than ‘Sorry to Buff nation,’ " Scott said.
The pride and tradition of the Colorado Buffaloes will not be entrusted to the timid or the weak.
"All coaching is, is taking a player where he can't take himself" Bill McCartney
This article makes me sick. I can’t explain it. I am so disgusted I can’t even start to explain. Literally I’m just rambling but I can’t even think straight.
by buffsnbruins on Nov 3, 2009 10:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Can they make Scott's transfer to UCLA conditional?
The condition being that Dan Hawkins goes with him.
Dan Hawkins has been a good recruiter for UCLA. He’s kind a like a used car salesman except he deals in used football recruits.
The pride and tradition of the Colorado Buffaloes will not be entrusted to the timid or the weak.
"All coaching is, is taking a player where he can't take himself" Bill McCartney
Don't know what hurts more
The fact that D.Scott is taking off or the fact that CU Football has sunk to a level of insignificance and irrelevance in college football that his leaving hasn’t even prompted a mention on any of the major sports net sites (espn.com, foxsports.com, cnnsi.com). Quite simply, CU matters not at all on the national college football stage.
I understand and respect his decision but not the method it was delivered: via text message to Hags, who deserved more than that. Can’t blame the kid, reality is he never really got a fair shot at showing his true skills. Guess we’ll be seeing them in UCLA powder blue!
Listening to Alfred Williams goin off on Hawkins in this case and in general. A LOT of passion/anger/frustration that he finally let loose. Says “it’s time” for Hawkins to go. Certainly implied that position coaches do NOT get final call on PT and starters, etc. You go Big Al! CU can come back from this but not without a change in leadership: Say goodnight, Hawk! Turn out the lights, the party’s over.
meh text msg is fine
I mean really, Hawk was probably too buried in his fan mail written by Cody to notice. In all seriousness, and I guess i should preface this by saying I am not superman or an idiot, if you aren’t putting your best players on the field and giving them an opportunity to produce/develop, why would you come here? If he sucks, fine, let’s see that he sucks. None of this 8 carry BS then disappear. It’s not good for recruiting if your pitch is….(which is all it can be at CU now)…You’ll get playing time…..Really, like Darrell whats his name? Later Hawk, your, walk through the valley-never-get-too-low-never-get-too-high-get-your-horns-out-fight-with-the-heart-of-a-buffalo shit has been ineffective and grown tired, no matter how well intentioned it was.
The article on CUBUFFS.com is bad
Really really bad…. Our program is in deep shit
We need a coaching change that will erase all of this bad publicity
unfortunately...
the one guy that would erase this bad publicity – Mr. Tanahan himself, has probably a .01% of saying yes to any offer from CU.
by BuffulanceMan on Nov 4, 2009 8:31 AM MST up reply actions
LA Times
Checked theTimes ths morning to see if there was any buzz. This is the picture I saw. Not Darrell, (actually Milton Knox) but it woke me up as a startling reality of where we are today
Sad, for what it could have been here. But Darrell’s not the man. A text to say you’re leaving? Really? Good luck Darrell, you’ll need it.
Let's not forget
Darrell came in out of shape and played sparingly. He may have been a 5 star recruit, but didn’t play like it. Yes, it’s a loss, but he showed that when he was dinged up, he couldn’t play, like the great ones do. Rodney had the heart and was able to adjust to the college game a lot easier, and was rightfully rewarded with more playing time. The stats don’t lie. There’s more than one side to this story.
by MDBuff on Nov 4, 2009 7:35 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Dude
you are drinking the hawkins coolaid, bro. HE NEVER GOT A CHANCE. You have to give a 5* recruit a chance. And if he transfers, then you can say – we gave him a chance, he sucked, and look what did when he got put in. But, Mr Hawkins, being the genius coach that he is, didn’t see this coming.
Obvoiusly, there’s more than one side to this story, but don’t drink the cool-aid, bro.
by BuffulanceMan on Nov 4, 2009 8:34 AM MST up reply actions
The other side is 2-6 and 15-30
The other side is Andre Simmons not getting any playing time after he busted his ass to be eligible. The other side is Ryan Miller being a huge recruit and having to move him to RG because you can’t develop him. The other side is Josh Smith being the only threat we had last year and he would never see the field on offence. The other side is having a starting freshman center who looks like a stud and driving him into slick Ricks arms because you are trying to convert him to full back. The other side is losing to Montana State, Toledo, and should have to Eastern Washington.
You can’t tell be all these guys couldn’t get the system. Look at Vince Young. He is as dumb as a box of rocks and as emotionally fragile as a 16 year old girl and Mack Brown was able to coach him up to a national championship.
You are right the stats don’t lie, 2-6, 15-30.
by lakebuff on Nov 4, 2009 8:35 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
I think I loathe Dan Hawkins now. LOATHE, I tell you!
by BuffulanceMan on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
He looked uncomfortable
Obviously he is hurt to find out he thought he had a great relationship with the young man and turns out his value to Darrell was only worth a quick text message. I truly believe Darin cares for these young men and they are not just another football player. It’s sad it ended the way it did. Life goes on.
The pride and tradition of the Colorado Buffaloes will not be entrusted to the timid or the weak.
"All coaching is, is taking a player where he can't take himself" Bill McCartney
I think it is deeper than that
Hagen obviously has some good contacts and connections in So Cal, with Scott busting out, Hagen credibility just took a huge hit, So Cal kids are going to say, why the hell should I come play for you, you won’t put me in a situation to suceed. There is something very wrong going on at the program, you can tell it by former players feelings, Alfred Williams went off last night, but I still think he was holding back things he knows about that he is trying to keep under wraps in hopes of not hurting the program. I think Hagen is caught between a rock and a hard place, I know he loves CU, but with Hawkins as HC, he basically is destroying Hagen’s ability to recruit or coach.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
"There is something very wrong going on at the program,"
Agreed..
The pride and tradition of the Colorado Buffaloes will not be entrusted to the timid or the weak.
"All coaching is, is taking a player where he can't take himself" Bill McCartney
It will be interesting to see
if Hawkins doesn’t get canned if Hagan and Cabral stick around. I think you will see the assistants that aren’t “yes” men to Hawking leave.
This Explains It All
“Scott is one of 15 four or five star recruits that have signed with the Buffaloes since Hawkins took over in 2006. None of those players have yet to be named first or second-team all-conference.”
Bruins Nation Blog
Not really jumping up and down at the prospect of Darrell being a Bruin.
http://www.bruinsnation.com/2009/11/3/1113537/rumors-swirling-about-darrell
The pride and tradition of the Colorado Buffaloes will not be entrusted to the timid or the weak.
"All coaching is, is taking a player where he can't take himself" Bill McCartney
Cody Hawkins to start at RB vs Texas A&M!!!!
Ok not really. But with the ramifications of this on recruiting we may struggle to find value at any position in the next few years.
Did anyone else catch Klatt and Kreckman interviewing Matt McChesney on Mile High Sports (1510 AM)?
It was before Scott’s departure and it sounds like ex-players and a lot of boosters are really starting to question Hawk.
They took down the “The Pride and Tradition of the Colorado Buffaloes will not be intrusted to the timid or the weak” McCartney quote in the team room. Hawkins elected to not kick a field goal against Missouri last year to end the consecutive game scoring streak. Where is our since of pride and tradition? I totally understand coming in and making some changes so the football program is made yours. But the McCartney quote is a piece of history from the best era in CU Football history.
I put plenty of the blame in Hawkins court, But some blame needs to go higher up. Bohn can’t blindly support Hawkins with all that is going on. I think he sealed his fate at CU as well.
Things are not going to get better here until we get an AD and Coach who understand the Colorado tradition and won’t accept losing.
"No Rebounds, No Rings"
by ksballa11 on Nov 4, 2009 10:59 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Is that on the web anywhere
I was listening to Alfred Williams go off, he was almost to the point of tears. I did not know about the quote being taken down, that is grounds for breach of contract (or at least I would us it as that). But I agree with everything you have said, Bohn needs to step up and either have the balls to fire Hawkins or resign. Hopefully he will do one and then the other.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Klatt and Kreckman interviewing Matt McChesney on Mile High Sports
http://milehighsports.com/article.asp?id=1283821
It’s in the pod cast section.
The pride and tradition of the Colorado Buffaloes will not be entrusted to the timid or the weak.
"All coaching is, is taking a player where he can't take himself" Bill McCartney
Thanks
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Bohn
What do you (any of us) really expect Bohn to say. Certainly you know he can’t publically saw he is dissatisfied with HAwkins or say he ’s a lousy coach or decision maker, thats just not how it works.
I actually expect Bohn to publically support Hawkins to keep up appearance right up until he whacks him soon.
Not really too surprising.
I guess my feeling is this on Bohn
He doesn’t have to sit there an nod his head like a bobble doll, I would respect him if he said, “I support the University of Colorado and our Football program, we have a certain level of expectation for perfromance of the team, I do not think our team is meeting those expectations and we will have discussions with coach Hawkins regarding the direction of the program. We will do what we feel is in the best interest of the program and the University.”
Simple and basically says look, we aren’t happy, we will evaluate Hawkins and make whatever changes or lack of changes that we feel are best for the program.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
buyout price
Is there any way we could take him to court and win? Prove that he hasn’t done his job sufficiently and thus not pay the 3 million in buyout money? I think it is in his contract, so it would be hard. It would make it that much easier to end these shenanigans.
At the very least
The University should try to reclaim Cody’s scholarship money. How is Cody getting a full-ride any different than Mike Bohn hypothetically giving his wife an Academic scholarship when she had a 2.5 GPA in High School?
Disagree
Cody has done everything to earn his scholarship. He plays hard, practices hard, is always positive, stay out of trouble, doesn’t quit the team when he gets pulled, and generally gave it everything he has. I have no problem with Cody, he just does the best he can and does waht his coaches tell him.
by BuffnBigD on Nov 4, 2009 1:52 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
True, but all the heart in the world does not make you deserving of a scholarship.
There are thousands of kids out there that would play with just as much heart as Cody given the opportunity. He is not worthy of a scholarship at a Big 12 school, let alone starting.
Yes and no
I’ll agree that he never should have started, but I do beleive he was/is good enough for a scholarship to a Div 1 Program (I can think for 20 others that shouldn’t be on CU scholarship by comparison then…Espinosa, Goodman, Manke, etc…).
Just a difference of opinion.
I'm one of the biggest Cody bashers on here but even I have to defend him here
You can certainly make the argument that it was a horrible decision to bring him to CU (with his father as coach) and that he has hurt us on the field and in recruiting. However, Cody was definitely worthy of a scholarship out of high school, has been a solid citizen, and I have no doubt that he has given a full effort in his time here. Don’t forget he received offers from other good D-I programs (Boise, Oregon, BYU, Wisconsin). You can’t yank someones scholarship based on performance (although I would of loved it if they yanked Goodman’s last year).
why?
Cody recieved two confirmed offers, with one claimed from oregon but not confirmed by the school… His two confirmed offers were from Boise St. (his dad coached and helped recruit him there) and to Colorado after his dad recieved the job. In all of his bios they said he was a heady, accurate player lacking in measurables. Measurables include height, size, arm strength, and mobility. He is a great kid and a fture coach- i back him wholeheartedly as a human being, but the kid is a born walk on. He is the model of what you want out of your walk ons. He should never have recieved a scholarship. No way. No rationalizing that.
Gotta stick with Nsux
on this one. Cody was the Idaho player of the year, an elite 11 QB, the #21 QB in the nation as a 3 star recruit. I think that warrants a scholarship. Also if you revoke it just because he plays bad it sets a dangerous precedent of revoking scholarships based on preformance, which could just screw up a kids college career. Thats really unfair to the student athlete. Plus Cody hasnt been thaaaat bad, but thats another discussion…
"It's like an owl without a graduation cap; Heartbreaking!!" -Tracy Jordan
never claimed he should get it revoked
Idaho player of the year on a team with far better talent than anyone they play aint saying much. I just feel he Never had the talent to play at this level and therefore should Never have been extended a scholarship offer( from his dad). I also find it very telling that his dad had a hand in all of his offers. What is Cody’s collegiate record as a starter? is that not what QB’s careers are (perhaps unfairly) judged by?
I have no inside knowlegde at all so I don't know for a fact if it is confirmed or whatever
but scout claims he got offers from all those schools I mentioned.
he may have
I just was going from rivals… I shouldnt take those site too seriously. As a FOrado said above- we have 15 4 or 5 star recruits under Hawkins, none of which have made first or second team all big 12.
Absolutly true
That is the real crime here, the lack of potential evolving into talent. The true marking of inadequate coaching. I think Cody falls into that very umbrella of wasted potential.
"It's like an owl without a graduation cap; Heartbreaking!!" -Tracy Jordan
a big umbrella
Maybe there is grounds for incompetence
Or at the very least, sabotaging the program, maybe something in there for treason against the State of Colorado. Doesn’t CU have a law school, give a class the contract and let them find jusr cause for termination or breach of contract.
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Does anyone have the contract
I am a transactional attorney and I have no problem looking at the contract and seeing if there is a claim there. Also, I am friends with CUs attorney and I have no problem sending my thoughts to him in regard to the contract.
But I have to say that I think this runs much deeper than Bohn and Hawkins. I have been saying this since the beginning of the 08 season… I think it is a conspiracy to get rid of the DI football program at CU. The administration has always hated the football program and they finally have a program that is so awful that they could easily get rid of it.
are you seriously a lawyer?
no offense, but your comments are pretty sketchy. This whole argument is silly, of course the contract is ironclad. You don’t think Dan had his own team of lawyers looking everything over before he signed it? and how would sending your thoughts on it to CU’s lawyer help the “get Dan fired” movement at all?
You know football pays for ALL OTHER SPORTS at CU right? So you’re saying CU wants to completely get rid of ALL D-I sports? Cause that’s what happens if football goes bye bye. That’s a pretty nutty conspiracy theory.
the contract is ironclad, but...
but there are a lot of nuts in charge at CU. I could easily see them going hyper-progressive and ridding the university of all sports, clubs excepted (gotta have their ultimate frisbee). Not saying it will happen; I just never can put anything beyond the realm of possibility with our administration.
Yes I am.
How rude to question that I am a practicing attorney. There are always conditions of breach in EVERY contract. I know it is absolutely ridiculous to believe that they would get rid of the program. I am just saying that it seems like they don’t get the whole idea that CU football pays for everyting!
good for you, I apologize, I shouldn't of been rude
but I still think my question was justified based on your original post. Of course there are conditions of breach, but what do you think they are? I can certainly tell you what they aren’t: “not winning enough games to keep the fans happy” or “allowing your top recruit to transfer”
As much as I hate to say it, Dan Hawkins has done nothing wrong during his time in Boulder except being a horrible coach.
No worries!
I guess it is wishful thinking that there may be something in the contract to protect CU from this type of thing. I was thinking more along the lines of loss of revenue from ticket sales or failure to get to a bowl game. I would have thought that CU learned its lesson from Barnett. I would think that the contract is public information since it is a state school but I am not sure.
I am just so frustrated that I want to do something!
Might have to think outside the box on this one
Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if:
Say at the Iowa State road game, in the hotel where a certain coach is staying , at 200 am the fire alarm mysteriously goes off. Everyone gets up goes outside, no fire, they go back in.
But while certain coach is out of the room, 2 hookers and a photographer sneak into his room and hide. The coach comes back, crawls into bed and falls asleep. Then the hookers setup for their quickie photo session. The coach wakes up, 2 naked hookers are all over him with the camera snapping pictures all the way. Thousands of dollars are found charged to his university credit card under travel entertainment and wallah, no more coach.
I am sure Mike Price will tell you it’s grounds for termination. Probably far cheaper than a buyout too.
Hypothetically speaking of course.
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I hypothetically have 50 dollars to pitch in for that idea, hypothetically speaking
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I can provide the women.
My only concern, is we might wake up Cody…since him and Daddy share the bed
Who said anything about women Hookers?
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Has anybody heard about the recruit from this past weekend?
While Scott leaving is another embarrasing moment for Hawkins, the amount it will really hurt the current team is minor. Not his fault but Scott was only a kick returner. The thing that worries me about this is with the future recruits and the message it sends to them. Or to some of the other players (Read: KASA).
All-Purpose - Misleading
The emphasis on All-Purpose yardage leaders is misleading as CU allowed their opponents to score so much and thus Josh and Darrel got a lot of return opportunities. That they lead the team in this category represents more the frailties of the team, than the sum of their abilities.
We’ll see how they contribute at UCLA under Rick, or whoever replaces him.
This sucks, and is another addition to the ongoing depression of following the Buffs. It’s further ammo for the haters who will bang their drum louder and louder, and another bad distraction for the program.
Ringo has a good blog article up on the DC site on Hawkin's job security
certainly makes it sound like we’ll be done with hawk after the final second ticks off the clock of the Nebraska game
hmm
i wonder why Ringo writes this now? does he really have a mole inside the athletice dept. at CU? more likely that he is just hoping the same way we are…
by BuffulanceMan on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
Hirschman
I know I’m asking a lot, but I hope Hirschman doesn’t decommit becasue I think he might be the QB we are looking for.
If he stays he would be assurred of having the same coach for 4 years (once Hawk is gone) in a Big 12 Program that has nowhere to go but up. I still beleive the base young talent is already here, its just a matter of getting a coach in here that can motivate, develop the team into its potential.
I agree
We are a young team, with decent talent. If we can upgrade coaches and change the mentality of the team, then I think the Buffs could turn the ship around in one season. But we need a decent QB to lead the way. This of course assuming that half the team doesn’t transfer.
too optimistic
IF we change coaches, and im hoping we do, we cannot think we will turn the ship around the next year. It takes too long and Hawk has screwed up too much. I’m not saying we do not have talent, but a good season on a coach’s 1st year is too much to hope for, and is unfair to the next coach, whomever it may be (C’mon Logan or Shanahan!)
Logan would be such a downgrade
Dude is a high school coach and nothing more. That would just be irresponsible to hire him as a Division I Big 12 coach, regardless of the potential in state recruiting.
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I totally agree
Logan is always mentioned as a potential candidate, but hiring a high school coach would be a MASSIVE risk and irresponsible like you said. I was listening to Alfred Williams on the radio last night and I think he mentioned Logan as a good choice. I’m not so sure though, I doubt it happens…
Logan
Dave Logan has a fire in his gut for CU. He bleeds black and gold. He’s won everywhere he’s been and he can recruit. He knows football better than most of us ever will and he respects the past.
Never a college coach? OK, fair argument. And Josh McDaniels coached how many NFL games before Bowlen named him his head coach? He’s already won almost half as many games in 8 weeks as Hawk has here in four years, with no named, piece-mealed talent.
There’s an old saying that says you can’t jump out of the basement window. If Logan is the hire, assuming Hawk doesn’t survive this, could he do any worse? I doubt it.
He’d close the boarders on the state recruits overnight including guys potentially like Chis Martin from Grandview who’s verbal’ed to ND but has to have a new respect for Logan after Mullen handled them last Friday.
I think Logan would be highly loyal to the CU coaches he knows have paid their dues like Cabral and need to stay in the system and I think he’d return a smash mouth style of football to Boulder that we haven’t seen since 62-36.
We could do a lot worse. A lot worse.
sure
we could do a lot worse and he might be great, it’s just very risky, you never see a guy with his lack of high level coaching taking over a major program. Also, I don’t know the guy, what you say may very well be true, but I’ve heard time and again that he DOESN’T bleed black and gold and has some beefs with CU. Maybe that was just with certain administrators or coaches and not with the school as a whole, but it’s a concern for me. Why do most of his top college prospects seem to avoid CU so much?
one more thought
a lot of the people calling for Dan’s head have been saying all sorts of things like “this guy doesn’t have what it takes to win in the Big 12”, “we should of hired a guy with big-time college experience”, and “winning in the WAC doesn’t mean crap when it comes to being successful at a major conference school.”
So then Bohn fires him and hires a HIGH SCHOOL COACH? Say Logan then fails, Bohn (or whoever hires him) would be CRUCIFIED! That’s why I don’t think it will happen.
I really don’t disagree all that much with what you said, I’m just playing devil’s advocate :-)
by nebraskasux on Nov 4, 2009 7:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Logan would be a great hire if he actually wanted the job
But I agree with NSux, it would be a huge risk. I also don’t think Dave is really wanting to give up the nice cushy job annoucing Bronco games.
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I think Logan in only a HIGH SCHOOL COACH
because he wants to be. It doesn’t limit him from being a good college coach. Logan does have a full plate and a few great jobs. We know he can obviously multitask.
Are there other coaches out there that would be better hires? Absolutely. I’m just saying we could do a lost worse with guys that ARE or were college coaches and couldn’t cut it here (see Hawkins, Dan).
He’s absolutely a risky hire. It’s a high risk/ high reward hire. You win or you’re going home. Probably, to your point, much too risky for any AD to hang his name on.
seriously?
Logans a good announcer and knows how to use his talent in High School but there is nothing about him that screams success at the college level. He may do well, but we would be even more of a laughing stock than we are. I can think of only one coach of late who successfully made the jump, and that was the guy who coached at Houston and has recently made the move to Baylor. Even in that case, he has yet to prove he can win at Baylor (probably not fair, since he is at Baylor). I like Logan, just feel that it is too much of a leap of faith.
I think he would prefer to stay unemployed
But yes, he could come in and and probably win 6 games next year
I have thought it but I will ask it
If Barnett is still under contract do to the payout, could we not theoretically require him to come back and coach? Yeah, I know there is a snowball chance in hell that he would probably agree to that, but maybe we could use that as an excuse to terminate the buyout and save some cash, just an idea, albiet a pie in the sky one.
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by Broncoman on Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Future coach
I urge the alumni, selection committee, and new AD not to put too high a premium on CU connections in the new coach. Alabama had virtual requirement that the head football coach had Alabama connections, preferably having played or coached for Bear Bryant. That led to years of mediocrity with two exceptions: Bill Curry, who in addition to having the irredeemable sin of not playing at Alabama, played at Georgia Tech for Bobby Dodd back in the day, and he lost to Auburn. They ran him off when he was 9-2. Gene Stallings was the other exception, but he had been with Bear at A&M so he was never fully accepted, even though he won a national championship. Texas went through the David McWilliams period because he was a Horn.
There are some great young talents, like Jeremy Bates, out there who are ready and can build a long-term program. Don’t disqualify them because they didn’t attend or play at CU.
by Chetster on Nov 4, 2009 5:33 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
so my freshman year was the 2-10
year. So Ive been here petty much for all of coach hawks tenure, and I have been with him every step of the way. That guy has always been my boy. Every chance ive gotten to see him speak, I have gone, he was such my boy that I started a facebook group entitled “Dan Hawkins is my boy.” But after much thought, i came to the conclusion that I guess after all, Mr. Hawkins is in fact not my boy when it comes to football. Its awful to sit here, thinking of my last few football games at Folsom as a student, and look at them with contempt because i know they are just going to be painful. D Scott was pretty much the last straw for me. This program, no matter how awesome Coach Hawk is, is going nowhere, and that pains me so much to see. I should never, never be looking forward to our basketball team this early…
Sorry coach, I no longer support you, but rest assured, I will still be the first one in the stadium saturday, and be dressed as an idiot. As I hope all of you will still do in your own capacity no matter who the coach is. Times like these is when the true fanbase i.e. the people on this site, need to rally and push this great school into greener pastures.
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