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Two head coaches not named Dan Hawkins have already been fired: Steve Kragthorpe of Louisville and Al Groh at Virginia. Louisville bought out Kragthorpe for $2.2 million and Virginia paid Al Groh $4.33 million to get him out of Charlottesville. Kragthorpe was fired after just three years at Louisville while Groh went 59-53 with the Cavaliers and guided them to five bowl games. Groh only managed one winning season in his last four, going 9-4 in 2007.

Kragthorpe went 15 - 21 at Louisville. Louisville, a Big East team, is looking at Florida defensive coordinator Charlie Strong, Houston head coach Kevin Sumlin (Colorado and Big 12 ties), former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville, Texas Tech coac Mike Leach and former Tennessee coach Phil Fulmer.

Colorado_mediumMcDaniels now a mouth that roared profanity - The Denver Post

 "So you advocated the firing of Colorado football coach Dan Hawkins, even though he is doing things the right way off the field. Of course, if CU has a team with disciplinary problems and/or low graduation rates, you're the first one to criticize the coach. Consistency isn't your strong suit." Randy, Littleton

Kiz: There's a reason college football coaches are paid $1 million per year. It's a hard job. It's the Big 12 Conference, brother. It's hard to win with players who are gentlemen and scholars. But there's nothing inconsistent in expecting a fine university serious about football and academics to succeed on and off the field. If the Buffaloes were truly serious about football, Hawkins and his 16-33 record would be gone. Coaches are tested on the scoreboard. Hawk has turned in a score of 32.7 percent. No matter how lenient the grading curve or how much extra credit is given for the fine citizenship of players, that's an F.

"The problem with CU football is the snooty city of Boulder. If you were to switch the people who live in Westminster, Thornton, Broomfield or any other city in the metro area with the people of Boulder, CU would be top five in the country as far as fan base and support. People in the great state of Colorado love their Buffs and get chills when Ralphie takes to the field, but people in Boulder couldn't care less." Earl, Ithaca, N.Y.

Kiz: Hey, go easy on the People's Republic. Boulder is one of the best towns in the USA. But does anybody else get the impression that seeing the Buffs beat Nebraska is not high on the priority list of CU president Bruce Benson? Athletic director Mike Bohn has pledged loyalty to Hawkins in tough times. That's admirable. But what happens when an athletic director loves a losing football coach too much? Both men lose their jobs.

Colorado_mediumBoivin: ASU needs changes on offense
Mark Helfrich on the move again?

They only category the Sun Devils lead now is offensive predictability.
Among the names that have come up in speculation is Mark Helfrich, Oregon's offensive coordinator who previously coached quarterbacks at ASU under Dirk Koetter. Helfrich, 36, is well-regarded in the coaching ranks but it's hard to imagine he would leave the Ducks. He has ties there and is part of a successful program. His head coach, Chip Kelly, also calls plays, so possibly the promise of that role in Tempe could sway Helfrich.

Colorado_medium281 days to the season opener | The Buffzone Blog

For three years running, I’ve heard players talk during the offseason about how that particular offseason was the best the program has experienced in recent memory. I’m not buying it this time. The Buffs might actually have an outstanding offseason this year, but I think I’ll wait to write about it when we actually have some proof of it. Otherwise, it’s just talk, and if there is one thing I know CU football fans are sick of, it’s bold, brash words with little or nothing backing them up.

Colorado_mediumBuffaloes peer into future - The Longmont Times-Call

Starting up front, they graduate no linemen, offensive or defensive, who played a lot in 2009. Barring attrition, they expect to return every starter on both lines. Some might say that’s not as encouraging as it sounds because CU’s offense and defense ranked toward the bottom of the Big 12 in most statistical categories. But if success begins by controlling the line of scrimmage, the Buffs should be happy. They’ll be loaded with experience and depth up front in 2009. The offense loses its two top tight ends and the fullback, but every other skill position player returns. If his work in practice in 2009 as he redshirted is an indication, transfer receiver Toney Clemons will be one to watch in 2010.

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Colorado_mediumFan reaction to Colorado’s retention of Hawkins mixed - The Longmont Times-Call

Colorado_mediumRingo: Bowl game within CU`s sights for 2010 - Boulder Daily Camera

But there are some reasons to believe the Buffs could be capable of at least getting to a bowl game in 2010 and being competitive in the Big 12 North Division, the lighter side of the Big 12. Quarterback Tyler Hansen will return and figures to be the starter from the beginning of his junior year. The experience he gained this season and his work with the first team in spring and summer practices will help him. He will have to beat out senior Cody Hawkins, redshirt freshman Clark Evans and several true freshmen quarterbacks expected to join the program, but it would be a surprise to see anyone overtake him. We`re guessing CU coaches won`t be thrilled with the idea of starting over at the position with one of the younger players in a year in which their jobs will once again be on the line.

Colorado_mediumLosing gets old, so Buffs turning eye to offseason - The Denver Post

Three redshirt freshmen to watch LB Derrick Webb: Former Memphis Whitehaven HS standout could replace Marcus Burton as team's most punishing tackler. CB Deji Olatoye: Ohioan has size (6-2, 185), athleticism (6-4 high jump) and smarts (business major). TE DaVaughn Thornton: Coaches believe the 6-5, 230-pounder from Denver East could develop into CU's next great tight end.
Three goals in spring 1. Get used to new assistant coaches. In addition to former NFL DB Ashley Ambrose being elevated to full-time WR coach, look for at least one other offseason change in the staff. 2. Settle on an O-line. Even in the 12th game, there was some juggling, with backup center Mike Iltis becoming a starting guard. 3. Develop an offense with greater big-play capability.

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“But does anybody else get the impression that seeing the Buffs beat Nebraska is not high on the priority list of CU president Bruce Benson?”

-Yeah I think we all picked up on that.

“His head coach, Chip Kelly, also calls plays, so possibly the promise of that role in Tempe could sway Helfrich.”

-So if the HC is calling plays, what exactly is the OC’s job? This all gives me another interesting idea, though. Let our Chip call plays on offense for CU.

I also really liked Ringo’s idea to have Cabral handle special teams and let Riddle focus on TEs.

by NoVABuff on Nov 29, 2009 1:55 PM MST reply actions  

I have a different idea for how to handle the riddle situation

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by Bob_Bell on Nov 29, 2009 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, me too

ship his ass out of town. It’s increasingly seeming like not only is Dan keeping his job but all the assistants are too, and that is an absolute crime. Aparently Bohn isn’t gonna make him and Dan is “too nice” to fire anyone I think.

by nebraskasux on Nov 29, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Dan might be too nice to be a head coach

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by Bob_Bell on Nov 29, 2009 4:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

As for our offensive playcalling

Wasn’t Hawkins supposed to be an offensive guru when he came here?
Maybe he should finally take over play calling duties…

DAG

by DavidAGerhardt on Nov 29, 2009 2:27 PM MST reply actions  

we have now learned that Chris Peterson was the man

running the fun offense we wanted at Boise State.

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by Bob_Bell on Nov 29, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

But could the play calling really get that much worse? It would at least give Hawkins something to do on the sideline besides wandering around, occasionally yelling at the refs with the crowd gets angry about something

DAG

by DavidAGerhardt on Nov 29, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I watched the Boise game Friday night and wasn't that impressed

They look like us except with better execution. They make the same kinds of baffling (read: dumb as shit) play calls like going for 2 in the first quarter to try and go up 15-0. The biggest difference is that they play WAC teams all year and we play Big 12 teams. Even we can get up for one big game per year (Oklahoma, West Virginia, Kansas). They also play really well at home with the all blue uniforms and blue turf. Maybe we should consider putting in asphalt at Folsom for the same effect.

by NoVABuff on Nov 29, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Gold turf!!

Thats the magic element we are missing!

by BuffnBigD on Nov 29, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

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by Bob_Bell on Nov 29, 2009 4:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Apparently you missed them kicking Oregon's ass earlier this year

And they show up at bowl games, granted they play in the WAC, but considering we can’t beat MAC teams or MWC teams, or hell any teams on the road, saying we play in the Big 12 is no real ringing endorsement. Outside of Texas, nobody in the big 12 this year is better than Boise State, I would take Boise State against any other team in the Big 12 and they would easily kick their ass. But I like putting asphlat down. The Big 12 really hasn’t been that dominate a conference for a long time, outside of Texas and Oklahoma, the rest of the teams are average and would generally be lower tier teams in say the Pac 10 and SEC, hell I think CU would have a hard time competeing in the MWC.

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by Broncoman on Nov 30, 2009 8:27 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it kicking anyone a$$

Oregon played one of the worst games I have ever seen and they were still in it right down to the end.

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by Jon Woods on Nov 30, 2009 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Give some credit to Boise State

They doubled them in yards, and almost triple in time of possession, granted it was at Boise, but considering the beat down that BSU laid on Oregon the year before in Eugene, there is no excuse for Oregon not being ready for the game, they got worked all day.

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by Broncoman on Nov 30, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

don't forget

Boise struggled with Tulsa and LATech. In a BCS conference they are probably a two or three loss team.

by NYCskibum on Nov 30, 2009 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe, but I think they would win the Big 12 North easily

I think they would win the Big 10 and ACC and Pac 10 this year, I think we give too little credit to lower tier conferences like the WAC and MWC and MAC, they have teams that can compete with BCS schools, look at what Utah did last year to Bama, and I am guessing nobody wants to play TCU or BSU in a bowl game, because they will get beat.

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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
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by Broncoman on Nov 30, 2009 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep

Clearly the Pigeon had little to nothing whatsoever to do with the success of Boise State- it’s all Peterson and always was.

by AllBroncsallday on Nov 30, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, it's "the snooty people in Boulder"

That are to blame for the team sucking. Congrats, Earl in Ithaca, you’re an idiot!

by AllBroncsallday on Nov 30, 2009 12:30 PM MST reply actions  

I hate to admit it

but I think there is at least SOME truth to what he said. Don’t anyone get mad at me, I’m a Boulder native, just saying…

by nebraskasux on Nov 30, 2009 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I just don't see it

Boulder isn’t Texas or the deep South, and to expect that kind of support is silly imo.

Even if it was, that coin has a flip-side: Those folks that are rabid supporters? Yeah, they don’t see a 3-21 away record and call it “competitive”. There’s NO WAY that the Huskers put up with ANY coach losing to TWO DII schools.

The key to fan support in most towns that aren’t Texas or the south is to WIN. WIN, and golly, the fans show up in droves. It has been ever thus here, and will remain that way so long as people have other things to do, besides watch mediocre-to-flat-out-bad football. Good, bad, or indifferent that is reality in most places I’ve been.

Win, and the fans will show. Lose to CSU at home and Toledo? Yeah, not so much. Boulder isn’t at all unique in that.

Personally I see most of those kinds of comments as nothing but common hatin’.

by AllBroncsallday on Nov 30, 2009 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I hear what you're saying

and I’ve been defending our fans all season long. I haven’t seen the final figures but I’m sure we averaged a little more than 50k this year and frankly that is commendable considering that we had one of our worst teams ever. I’ve seen quite a few games of big name teams this year that are having “down seasons” (USC, FSU) where the stadiums looked less than half full. Maybe if we had a couple games in the 30k range Bohn would of been forced to make a change, who knows…

However… I’ve been to a few “real college football towns” and the difference is striking. There are signs, people are wearing team gear, it’s just the general vibe. Not that many people in Boulder seriously care all that much about the team and I’ve always had the feeling that most people think it’s uncool to like the team (or sports in general). I went to Boulder High which is literally a 15 minute walk from Folsom Field and there were more kids wearing Nebraska and FSU hats than CU hats. Yeah, you get frontrunners everywhere but you’d get your ass kicked (or at least harassed) if you did that in a town that really cared about the team.

I do agree 100% with you that if we have a winner the fans will be there and that includes basketball. We never lost to any DII schools though! I’m assuming you meant Montana State (a FCS team) but I don’t know who else you meant…

by nebraskasux on Nov 30, 2009 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I went to BHS too

And yeah, you’re right- Boulder is not what people would call a die-hard college football town. It never has been, and likely never will be. AT TIMES, the town appears to be such- during the late 80s and mid 90s is a recent example. It’s no small coincidence that this coincides with a winning period.

I do not agree with your take that the people here think it’s somehow uncool to care about the team- I just think there are lots of transplants from other places and they don’t have much reason to care. There are some of those people, to be sure- but there are those people anywhere in my estimation. Perhaps there’s a larger contingent of them in Boulder, but they are not the majority nor do they set the majority’s opinions in my observations.

Let’s face it- the team hasn’t given the town much reason to like them all that much, have they? Going .500 and under for the last few years isn’t the way to convert those transplants either.

Personally, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s not the town that doesn’t support the program, but the University itself. That’s why, after 20 years of having them and missing 2 home games, I won’t be renewing my season tickets.

by AllBroncsallday on Dec 2, 2009 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Almost all college towns

are similar to Boulder. It comes with the territory. The Buffs aren’t just Boulder’s team, they’re OUR damn team and we need an AD and HC who want to make them Colorado’s team, then build a Buff Nation. These two clowns are too afraid of looking excited to show an enthusiasm. Did anyone see Mark Richt rally his troops before the 4th quarter of the UGA-Tech game? Ever watch Pete Carroll, Mack Brown, darn near any other coach in the world, on the sidelines? They get excited, fired up, and fire up their team. “Coach” Hawkins is too cool for school or is getting paid so much he just doesn’t care.

by Chetster on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I get excited when I see Mangino try to eat a baby after Kansas scores a TD

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by Broncoman on Nov 30, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

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