Colorado's Press Release Insults Our Intelligence, Continues to Show Goal Is Not to Win
I understand the need to move on. Nothing we can about this now, we are in it for another year with this regime and that is just the way it is. But the press release issued by the University of Colorado is insulting to our intelligence. Many of you will probably ask, "what did you want them to say?" If they felt a need to say something about the situation, just come out and say Dan Hawkins is our head coach for 2010 and leave it at that, especially if this was just a financial decision. There is no defending why he is coming back so don't try and sell me that Dan Hawkins has been "competitive." Dan Hawkins is the first coach in Colorado history to have four losing seasons to start his term. I am just glad they didn't say "we see progress" or I would have flipped a lid. Here is what has me scratching my head:
"Dan represents the university's values on and off the field, and his team has been competitive this year," Phil DiStefano continued. "He has done all that we have asked him to do, and although we all desire more victories, we also recognize starting over with a new coach right now takes us away from, not closer to, our goals for CU football.
-Define competitive? Define the goals for this program? Why desire victories, why don't we demand victories and hold people accountable for that?
While Colorado is 3-8 this year, three of the losses were by seven points or less, with two others, both on the road at West Virginia and No. 2 Texas, games where the Buffs were most competitive into the fourth quarter.
-"While Colorado is 3 - 8 this year, three of the losses were by seven points or less."
Are you kidding me? Was this really written? Was this what they prepared to win the fan base over with? This was the masterful comment that was going to rally the masses and make us go, "yes, I agree with the decision and support the University." Really, that is the best we can do? Will all the academic prowess in Boulder, this is it?
Yes, Colorado "officials", the Buffs football team lost three games this year by less than seven points. One heck of an accomplishment if you ask me, something we should be proud of and aspire to do more of in the future. Should we hang a banner for that accomplishment? Since you want to rationalize losing, let's do that, let's dissect it and see how great an accomplishment it really is.
One of those losses was to Colorado State, a Mountain West team, at home in the season opener as the great University of Colorado yanked Colorado State around to make them play in Folsom in not Denver. Your senior captain said "we overlooked them." "10 wins, no excuses" and we overlooked a rival at home and lost? The first game of the year we "competitively" overlooked the Rams? Colorado State is winless in the Mountain West Conference and just lost to New Mexico, a team that was winless overall going into the game. Yes, New Mexico is 1 - 10 and Colorado State is 3 - 8.
Another one of those losses by only seven little points was to an Iowa State team who is headed up by Paul Rhoads, a first year coach who already has as many wins on the road as Dan Hawkins has in four years - two. Iowa State also beat the Nebraska Cornhuskers in year one, something Dan Hawkins has not done in two tries. Get this, Dan Hawkins hasn't beat a Big 12 North team on the road in his career - not one - not Iowa State, not Kansas State - nobody.
And the final, "less than seven point loss", was against Oklahoma State who is an 8 point underdog to a 6 - 5 Oklahoma team. Oklahoma State was playing without their All-American wide receiver in Dez Bryant, All-Conference quarterback in Zach Robinson and without the complete services of All American RB Kendall Hunter. Oh yes, and I forgot, Oklahoma State beat us with their third string quarterback. But, heck, "competitive" me up with that third string QB.
Thanks for trying to spin that into a positive.
I am surprised the release didn't say the Colorado Buffaloes were competitive against Toledo when they won third quarter 21 - 14.
-The Buffs "competitively" lost to Texas by 24 points after "competitively" gaining 127 total yards of total offense and giving up three non-defensive touchdowns. Colorado was "competitively" given four turnovers by West Virginia but "competitively" lost the game on the road, where we "competitively" have won 2 games in 21 chances the last four years.
Hawkins' contract with CU runs through the 2012 season; he originally signed a five-year agreement when hired prior to the 2006 season, and received an extension in October 2008 after a good start to the year before injuries took their toll and earning a bowl berth the previous season.
-Thanks for rationalizing the extension as well, Colorado. I mean 11 - 19 screams extension and so does a 3 - 2 start in 2008. Apparently, 3 - 2 is a good start at Colorado. Let's call it was it is; a $1.8 million dollar mistake by your athletic department.
before injuries took their toll
-"10 wins, no excuses" - translation: "Competitively", no where near 10 wins and still the excuses.
Call me "competitively" disappointed with this response because apparently the word "competitive" can be molded into whatever you want it to mean.
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seriously, couldn't they have at least waited until after thanksgiving to serve us this turd sandwich?
come to think of it, I might mail a turd to the athletic department.
by Rainbow skyline on Nov 26, 2009 12:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
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by irish1611 on Nov 26, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good commentary
The alums and boosters should march on the admin building. Disgusting, sickening. My Thanksgiving meal may come back up. Thank goodness I have plenty else for which to be thankful.
by Chetster on Nov 26, 2009 12:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You hit the nail on the head
I’m absolutely disgusted. All I wanted to hear is that the past four years have been unacceptable and the administration will demand better in the future. They couldn’t have possibly said anything further than that. in this statement. I don’t want to put a dime into the pockets of this program until a change is made and I don’t want to hear BS about not supportting the program. As fans we have pumped enough money into the pockets of Bohn and Hawk to deserve better.
by NYCskibum on Nov 26, 2009 1:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100% with this post
Why don’t they just level with us instead of making up bullshit excuses? Tell us how you’re going to correct the problems and let’s move forward. This statement is like treading water in a kiddie pool – useless!
I feel sick.
And what happens if we get destroyed tomorrow? Still competitive then?!? The game is going to be hard to watch and every time they show Hawkins I’ll….I don’t really know
by CleBUFFS on Nov 26, 2009 1:38 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
i guess hawkins apology that he recruited his son was enough to swing the administrations
to bring him back for one more year?
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 26, 2009 7:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The department and I
Apparently have a different idea of what “competitive” means. I’m finding it increasingly difficult to rectify this as a season-ticket holder.
by AllBroncsallday on Nov 26, 2009 1:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Poll results look similar to Hawk's win/loss record.....
by NYCskibum on Nov 26, 2009 3:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty shocked
about 19% saying he should be back…I would love to hear their reasoning…maybe it is Nebraska fans, but I would love to know the reasons if you are a Buff fan
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by irish1611 on Nov 26, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
there is absolutely no reasonable argument to be made for it.
The bar is set so low at this point that it will be pretty easy for him and his staff to show “improvement” next season. Scary for 2011 and 2012…..
by NYCskibum on Nov 26, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At least a decision has been made
Frankly, I’m happy a decision has been made. I would have been fine if it went the other way. Time to stop bitching and moaning and focus collective energies on rooting for the Buffs in tomorrows game – the biggest game of the year, regardless of the respective records. Come on Buffs! Time to start winning and justify the administration’s confidence in you!
by DC_Buff on Nov 26, 2009 3:37 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
regardless of what
happened just now, we should root for buffs and hope a win tomorrow can save our coming recruiting.
I am disgust to see all the things these days but yes, since he IS our next season’s coach, let’s just pray for his pros of recruiting works again.
We need more talents especially for defense, we need WIN next year.
From now till next August, I would rather focus on bb at least it’s more fun to watch now.
by cnbuff410 on Nov 26, 2009 4:10 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Misti and Cody
Stop voting on this poll….
by roxbombers on Nov 26, 2009 4:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Damn Irish
Haven’t seen you fired up like this before. Great stuff, sir. I am competitively in agreement with this post.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Nov 26, 2009 5:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Disgusting
Let’s look at this “competitive” argument from another view. CU won 2 big 12 games by 4 pts and 1 pt this year. Meanwhile they lost 8 by an average of 50 million or so. If kansas makes one more play and Texas A&M doesn’t throw a pick and fumble a punt return then we are looking at a 1 win season. What I’m saying is we are closer to a div 2 squad than a competitive big 12 north team. Like you guys said setting the bar this low is pathetic. Moral victories aren’t acceptable because that’s all hawk has to hang his hat on. Like I said .500 next year is our championship. I give it about a zero percent chance of happening.
by runningdonut on Nov 26, 2009 5:48 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
We know what they admin cares about
Rather have the clean image than a winning product on the field. I’m glad that we aren’t seeing as many buffs on the police blotter as in the past and kids are going to school, but a balance must be struck with having a good reputation off the field and wins and losses. Wins and losses are what fill the seats. Fans get behind winners. Good product on the field, fans pony up their cash, and give the university national exposure. I can’t help but think that finances are a huge part of this decision, and why should we believe DiStefano on anything he stated in his release, since he believes the Buffaloes were competitive this year? If we are not bowl eligible next year Hawk had better be gone.
by swflbuffsfan on Nov 26, 2009 5:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
pathetic.
they left very little time to organize some sort of mass protest for the game tomorrow.
by The Notorious R.O.B on Nov 26, 2009 6:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that the administration cares about the university as a whole
The chancellor and president have the whole university to think about, not just the football program. While the argument could be made that not spending $3M on a buyout of Hawkins’ contract would result in at least $3M in lost revenue and fewer donations, spending $3 million to fire the state’s highest paid employee would look pretty bad to the rest of the university. There’s already somewhat of a rift between the academic and athletic communities at CU. If we spent $3 million so we could hire a new coach to win more games (for the second time in 4 years), that divide would become even more substantial.
I agree that DiStefano seems to be insulting our fans’ intelligence by calling our performance on the field “competitive,” but I doubt that’s what he was going for. I would imagine most administrators of public universities describe the school with a view through rose-colored glasses. Gotta point out the positive to keep those donations, students, recruits, etc. coming. That being said, I would’ve rather heard him say something like, “this season has been disappointing, and we’re not where we want to be yet with the football program, but we think Coach Hawkins gives us the best chance to get there as soon as possible.”
by NoVABuff on Nov 26, 2009 6:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Then bohn needs to be accountable
For the poor extension given in 2008. If money is the issue, we know who is responsible for that.
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by irish1611 on Nov 26, 2009 6:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I still don't understand the extension
His contract wasn’t going to be up for at least a couple more years, and it’s not like someone was going to come in and swoop up our coach with an 8-17 record (except maybe Auburn).
by NoVABuff on Nov 26, 2009 7:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Extensions are often given for recruiting purposes.
In theory, it’s easier to recruit after getting an extension because you can sell coaching stability. At Tennessee, we gave Fulmer an extension and upped his buyout to $6million after 2007. A large part of that was because we were bringing in a new offensive coordinator and the AD wanted to show confidence.
The only difference between UT and CU is that UT had an emergency fund that nobody else knew existed. There was over $7mil in ‘rainy day’ money, which meant that our AD never gave an extension that he couldn’t immediately pay off.
But I’m on a tangent. Back to your situation: the theory is that a coach with a <4-year contract has a hard time selling his program.
Now, whether they were following that logic is up to somebody else to decide.
by Hooper on Nov 26, 2009 7:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that theory
Because taken to it’s fullest logical outcome, it says that no coach should ever have, at any point, less than a 5 year deal. That way, the coach can always be able to tell any player that “Yes I’ll be here in 5 years (the max the player would likely be there) because I have this 5 year deal.” Furthermore (and here’s where it gets really stupid) that deal is renewed every year so that he can say that same thing to any future recruit. Of course, a 5-year perpetually-renewing contract would make it virtually impossible to fire a coach.
Nice deal if you can get it, I’m sure. Most of us, however, live in the universe where nothing is guaranteed. With a very few exceptions for the Pete Carrolls and Urban Meyers of the college coaching world, I think that most players and parents understand that coaching changes can and do happen, and that there really are no assurances as far as coaching staffs are concerned. Frankly, that’s life for most of us.
I find it rather surprising that any AD anywhere falls for this craptacular nonsensical load of bunk. I am not surprised that Bohn was one of them, however.
by AllBroncsallday on Nov 27, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If this was a money thing....
Then I can guarantee this decision, even if it’s for one year, has cost them more money than 3 million dollars would have. I understand the resentfulness of faculty over football and the head coach salary. I get that. But…at the same time, I could give two shits about your women’s studies degree or your philosphy department b/c at the end of the day, all that does is lead to more unemployed people complaining about how they can’t get a job w/ their degree….I digress, but suffice it to say, your women’s studies program or whatever, doesn’t bring the university any notariety, or revenue. The football program does. The 2007-2008 football season placed CU 43 in Div I-A program w/ a revenue of 52 million. That’s right. 52 million for our Football program. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/07/how-much-revenue-did-your-favorite-fbs-school-take-in-in-200708-this-chart-will-tell-you.html
When one considers the loss of season ticket sales (i know mine are done) parking revenues on the east lot (done), concession sales (done), paraphernalia (not done), tv revenues (b/c nobody wants to broadcast CU except to watch a disaster), bowl game revenues…not to mention the long-term issues w/ recruits (watch who leaves over the summer b/c of this) this is a huge failure.
by Ever on Nov 26, 2009 8:11 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Well we now know the adminstration has no clue regarding football
Bohn and the chancellor put a big middle finger up to all the true fans, alumni, and former players, what really saddens me is that it appears that Bohn really doesn’t care about the student athletes having a great college experience, he only cares about his own personnel authority and coming up with excuses. He obviously could care less if the kids are given the chance to compete and have a winning season, I feel sorry for those guys, they are the ones being wronged in so many ways, to have your college career ruined by this staff and adminstration because of BS finacial considerations, that is what is missing.
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by Broncoman on Nov 26, 2009 9:56 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
meh it's not even that
it’s any recruiter in the nation saying… Remember Darrell Scott? Neither do we. Answer me this recruit: how many Dan Hawkin’s Recruits have made the NFL? Answer… I dunno. None…
by Ever on Nov 26, 2009 10:16 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
As a complete neutral
I’m not even sure this is the worst of it. If Hawkins has a bad year in 2010, I presume he’s done. What if he goes 6-6 with a bowl game and then 7-5 in 2011? He could marginally improve the team over the next 2 years without really getting anywhere special or having that much ACTUAL improvement. This might not be a 1 year setback but much longer depending on how the team does.
by DoubleB on Nov 26, 2009 11:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
God dammit.
Don’t make me think about him for more than one year. I need to go puke out some god damn turkey.
by legendarywalton on Nov 26, 2009 11:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that too
My biggest fear is that somehow this teams gets a say 7-5 record next year and then goes to a bowl, gets blown out and then Hawkins gets another extension and we go back to sucking for another four years and they won’t can Hawkins because of the financial reasons….the horror, the horror…..it is sad to say, but in some ways I have to hope this team has a repeat perfromance next year so there can be no more legit excuse to keep Hawkins.
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by Broncoman on Nov 27, 2009 8:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
They’ll be revisiting this in 1 or 2 years, meanwhile the program slides backwards. The Pigeon is going to have to go something like 10-1 for 3 years straight to even break .500.
3-21 away from Folsom. That really says it all.
by AllBroncsallday on Nov 27, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Greetings from Tomahawk Nation....
Like the site guys, lookin good. It seems theres something in the air this season thats keeping schools from releasing coaches that are NOT productive. As a Life-Long Seminole fan it baffles me that from 2001-2009 FSU has been paying BIG TIME $$$ to a coach for below average results. Its now at the point where Bobby Bowdens true colors are about to show. He cares more about his wins than he does about the University. He has 1 year remaining before Jimbo Fisher becomes HC or FSU has to pay him $5 Million, Not gonna happen. Bowden is willing to sign a contract that gives Jimbo Fisher TOTAL Control over the team. Bowden gets his 2.5 Million and the Wins\Losses.
Sorry to rant about the Noles in here but I understand how you guys feel. Colorado was a Dominant team and former National Champions. CU is no Duke or Baylor. When you pay a coach Big Money you expect Big Time Results. I really hope Dan can turn that corner and have a GREAT season next season. When i came to the FSU game in 2007 i fell in love with the campus and stadium. The atmosphere was Wonderful!!!
Well, im heading out guys but i’ll stop in from time to time and would love to chat with you guys. Keep your head up and Beat the PISS outta those Cornholes… I mean Huskers
Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!
by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Nov 27, 2009 12:07 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
yup
a lot of people (Bohn first and foremost) don’t seem to remember that CU actually DOES have football tradition and is no Duke or Baylor like you said.
You’re right, I was at that game in 2007, great atmosphere that night and your fans were great. I normally have nothing nice to say about opposing fans (I’m a jerk that way) but you guys had a huge, loud group travel out for the game and pretty much everyone I talked to was cool. Good luck to you guys getting back on track as well and beat the Gators!
by nebraskasux on Nov 27, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

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